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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8379802" data-attributes="member: 93670">It’s good that you’ve gone from suggesting anything north of “whatever the module gives” or magic items as available as wotc’s own ruleset+advice makes them as “monty haul”. Buying magic items is not the only optional part of magic items though, magic items themselves are also optional with 5e being designed to not need them or include them in the design math considerations. Obviously the artificer does not fit that level of middle earth style magic item availability &amp; should not be designed for that baseline. Unfortunately the artificer is balanced for that instead of having a sidebar about middle earth type settings like the one on firearms that design just ignores all the rough edges that surface when not playing in middle earth or with a party constrained to “whatever the module gives.” Those rough edges were what started this tangent not the inevitable result of &quot;monty haul&quot; gms</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8379802, member: 93670"] It’s good that you’ve gone from suggesting anything north of “whatever the module gives” or magic items as available as wotc’s own ruleset+advice makes them as “monty haul”. [I][B]Buying [/B][/I][B]magic items is not the only optional part of magic items though[/B], magic items themselves are also optional with 5e being designed to not need them or include them in the design math considerations. Obviously the artificer does not fit that level of middle earth style magic item availability & should not be designed for that baseline. Unfortunately the artificer is balanced for that instead of having a sidebar about middle earth type settings like the one on firearms that design just ignores all the rough edges that surface when not playing in middle earth or with a party constrained to “whatever the module gives.” Those rough edges were what started this tangent not the inevitable result of "monty haul" gms [/QUOTE]

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