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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 8383319" data-attributes="member: 6750235">That 1/4 you're calling out as sucks uses the bonus action with spells in the exact same way the clerics you were calling out as good.  Shall we continue our comparison and I'll switch to alchemists?  They don't suck either.  They trade/delay some damage for versatility over other artificers; and have a similar issue as clerics burning through slots for bonus damage compared to other artificers, but they still have tool expertise, flash of genius, and infusions compared to cleric.  Compared to other artificers they add extra healing and versatility in elixirs.Claiming a class or subclass "sucks" is strong terminology and isn't correct in it's use when looking at the best examples against which to compare instead of looking at the average baseline and looking at how far or above that baseline the build might perform.There are two points on the class that might turn a person off:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Pew pew.  Infusions are great but the class often relies on spamming weapon attacks or a limited number of cantrips.  Not everyone likes that.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">3.x bardism.  In the shadow of a more focused class.  Artificers are not "the best" at pretty much anything.  Some players want to excel in certain areas.</li> </ol>Regarding point 2, not being the best is not the same thing as being the worst, sucking, or even bad in general.  Baselines don't start at the top when measuring.</blockquote>

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