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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 8389457" data-attributes="member: 6704184">Yeah, the fighter or Barbarian can do solid damage without ditching the shield. GWM is extra. It’s gravy. And you…know a GWM fighter can use a shield and a versatile weapon when they need to be more defensive, yes? Your whole idea of shield being worth X number of hit points doesn’t even hold up. Your group plays very differently from the dozens of groups I’ve played with or observed, if what you’re saying is from play experience.  Oh, and barring a cooperative DM, the Wizard has only offensive capability to incentivize enemies to even try to him them. They aren’t a good barrier, they have nothing comparable to the attack incentive of Reckless Attack, etc. So, their abilities to mitigate damage is in direct conflict with their ability to make enemies care, to a much greater degree than any Barbarian.   But yeah, if your game experience has wizards being effective tanks, you either define “tank” vety differently from how it’s generally used, or your game is very different from any I’ve ever seen or heard of.</blockquote>