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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 8395553" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>You missed the part where I said "CR appropriate" 20 Tarrasques (or even 1) are not CR appropriate for any 5E party.</p><p></p><p>Your green dragon breath is a great example. Its beats AE, the character has a crappy constitution so he could miss his save, but even here it is a statistically usable less than twice in a 5-turn battle. If the CR8 young green Dragon does not down the 6th level artificer with its breath (or worse happens to use it on other party members) then he is going to have to roll a crit with disadvantage in one of the remaining 4 turns to damage the artificer at all. </p><p></p><p>If we assume said dragon almost kills him with poison, so he only has 1or 2 hp left or maybe he gets lucky and downs him with one shot of breath alone and then the party uses healing word. At this point the artificer with less than 10hp is nearly unstoppable by that dragon. In the 4 remaining turns of a 5-turn battle the dragon is going to get 12 attacks and needs to crit with disadvantage. If the dragon uses every single one of them to attack the artificer, the chance of hitting on any of those attacks is only 3%. That is hardly a challenge.</p><p></p><p>Now sure you can throw up a terrasque or a even an adult green dragon (CR15) and they would make short work of the artificer, but in that case you are putting the party against a far more powerful monster than they should be facing.</p><p></p><p>I am not saying you can't design something to challange him, you can but not without getting cheesy and purposely designing a combat around that specific character's narrow weaknesses.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 8395553, member: 7030563"] You missed the part where I said "CR appropriate" 20 Tarrasques (or even 1) are not CR appropriate for any 5E party. Your green dragon breath is a great example. Its beats AE, the character has a crappy constitution so he could miss his save, but even here it is a statistically usable less than twice in a 5-turn battle. If the CR8 young green Dragon does not down the 6th level artificer with its breath (or worse happens to use it on other party members) then he is going to have to roll a crit with disadvantage in one of the remaining 4 turns to damage the artificer at all. If we assume said dragon almost kills him with poison, so he only has 1or 2 hp left or maybe he gets lucky and downs him with one shot of breath alone and then the party uses healing word. At this point the artificer with less than 10hp is nearly unstoppable by that dragon. In the 4 remaining turns of a 5-turn battle the dragon is going to get 12 attacks and needs to crit with disadvantage. If the dragon uses every single one of them to attack the artificer, the chance of hitting on any of those attacks is only 3%. That is hardly a challenge. Now sure you can throw up a terrasque or a even an adult green dragon (CR15) and they would make short work of the artificer, but in that case you are putting the party against a far more powerful monster than they should be facing. I am not saying you can't design something to challange him, you can but not without getting cheesy and purposely designing a combat around that specific character's narrow weaknesses. [/QUOTE]
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