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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stoutstien" data-source="post: 8397891" data-attributes="member: 7020569">Aye. I agree optimization is a self defeating for most tables. OTOH a DM who can't conceptualize the difference between an item gained through a feature and an item that they allow the party access too by other means is probably better off limiting PC option to a field they are more comfortable with.Artificers are not something to toss at new DMs the same way you wouldn't toss a nuke wizard or an echoing ancestral guardian multiclass in the mix.</blockquote>