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<blockquote data-quote="MostlyHarmless42" data-source="post: 7281274" data-attributes="member: 6845520">Unless it specifies in the spell or ability, it is 100% the DM'S call in this matter. Just make sure they are consistent with their rulings for both NPCS and Players (barring extenuating circumstances)....that said, this comes with one caveat: spell compnents.According to the spell casting rules (at least as intended), spell casting in general is an obvious act in some way, even to the common laymen. Sells with somatic components use strange gestures that are not normally done, material components involve weird items like bat guano being used, or at the very least an obvious &quot;magical thingy&quot; (wand, orb, staff, ring, amulet, or other focus) being both touched and out in an obvious fashion to use a spell, and verbal components (even &quot;sneaky&quot; spells like suggestion) all use obviously magical language. It is intended to be VERY obvious they are casting *something* to anyone watching/listening, even common folk. The question is whether or not they know *what* you are casting; suspicious guards may mistake your healing spell for a fireball if you aren't careful.All of this the DM is welcome to rule otherwise, though if he does, at minimum it should require a skill check (deception maybe), and likely even then a chance the spell fails or has some mishap because you trying to cast it on the sly is altering the &quot;formula&quot; of the spell, which is the intended purpose of sorcerer metamagic and the Subtle Spell ability.Hope that helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MostlyHarmless42, post: 7281274, member: 6845520"] Unless it specifies in the spell or ability, it is 100% the DM'S call in this matter. Just make sure they are consistent with their rulings for both NPCS and Players (barring extenuating circumstances). ...that said, this comes with one caveat: spell compnents. According to the spell casting rules (at least as intended), spell casting in general is an obvious act in some way, even to the common laymen. Sells with somatic components use strange gestures that are not normally done, material components involve weird items like bat guano being used, or at the very least an obvious "magical thingy" (wand, orb, staff, ring, amulet, or other focus) being both touched and out in an obvious fashion to use a spell, and verbal components (even "sneaky" spells like suggestion) all use obviously magical language. It is intended to be VERY obvious they are casting *something* to anyone watching/listening, even common folk. The question is whether or not they know *what* you are casting; suspicious guards may mistake your healing spell for a fireball if you aren't careful. All of this the DM is welcome to rule otherwise, though if he does, at minimum it should require a skill check (deception maybe), and likely even then a chance the spell fails or has some mishap because you trying to cast it on the sly is altering the "formula" of the spell, which is the intended purpose of sorcerer metamagic and the Subtle Spell ability. Hope that helps. [/QUOTE]

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