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<blockquote data-quote="Moon-Lancer" data-source="post: 4141471" data-attributes="member: 35798">personally I would like to see The proficiency give a +1 bonus on attack and damage if they also get the proficiency from a class as well. That way its useful even if your going to play a class that was going to get bows anyway.I don't think elves get proficiency with swords anymore, just bows. But I suspect the eldren will get proficiency with swords.You see, thier were two competing ideas of the elf.One was a race of nature, swift and deadly. masters of the forest and treesthe other is one of deep hidden lore and are masters of arcane magic with great castles in the sky. These ideas logically were split in two. I felt these two ideas competed even in 3.5. The only thing keeping them from getting a +2 to dex wis and int was because it wasn't balanced.*edit*I wonder if the proficiency is over written by the class proficiency if a +1 to hit and damage is really a good idea? They already get a +1 to hit and damage from dex. Maybe they should get a archery feat for free instead. I will have to see the rules to really make a good balanced alterantive to replace a useless race feature.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Moon-Lancer, post: 4141471, member: 35798"] personally I would like to see The proficiency give a +1 bonus on attack and damage if they also get the proficiency from a class as well. That way its useful even if your going to play a class that was going to get bows anyway. I don't think elves get proficiency with swords anymore, just bows. But I suspect the eldren will get proficiency with swords. You see, thier were two competing ideas of the elf. One was a race of nature, swift and deadly. masters of the forest and trees the other is one of deep hidden lore and are masters of arcane magic with great castles in the sky. These ideas logically were split in two. I felt these two ideas competed even in 3.5. The only thing keeping them from getting a +2 to dex wis and int was because it wasn't balanced. *edit* I wonder if the proficiency is over written by the class proficiency if a +1 to hit and damage is really a good idea? They already get a +1 to hit and damage from dex. Maybe they should get a archery feat for free instead. I will have to see the rules to really make a good balanced alterantive to replace a useless race feature. [/QUOTE]

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