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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 2304390" data-attributes="member: 6957">Folks, let us please try to keep this civil, hmm? It is heading toward flame and troll country, and I don't want burning trolls running around - they smell bad.I have to say that most of the players that I game with have been gaming since 1st ed. And they like the new rules better than the older ones in regards to Fireball and Lightning Bolt. And not a little.Mr. King, you are making generalizations that are not true for most people, though might well be true for your group. My group bid a fond farewell to the old rules by starting to play D&D again, having sat out most of 2nd ed. There has been no real urge to play 1st or 2nd ed, except for glances at Birthright. The rules for magic was one of the main reasons we started playing again. (More magic item creation than anything else, but magic nonetheless...)Though I will admit to being baffled how you could miss the changes. Now the number of times that I have been caught short by changes between 3.0 and 3.5 is a completely separate matter... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />The Auld Grump</blockquote>