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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 4643071" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>Thanks again for the great replies.</p><p></p><p>So, I think you can replace "legal" with "RAW" in my above statements and it's pretty much the same question: do you consider PCs playing MM races RAW? And, in this very thread, we have answers ranging from "yes" to "of course not." Setting aside the RPGA entanglements that automatically create another set of rules (which, I think we all agree, it is a little more cut-and-dry that RPGA rules do not allow MM races) and even setting aside the "RAI" point that Dinkeldog brought up (although also clearly worth exploring), we still have the base problem that the wording of those two paragraphs in the MM lead perfectly reasonable people to two perfectly reasonable - but opposite - conclusions. ...So is the answer that we all agree to disagree? I have no idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I asked that once too, and was told quite quickly that "everything is core." I know I sure didn't count Dragon as core in 3.5, and I also know I sure don't agree with having to pay for updates to books I've bought, but clearly WotC did not consult me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> So the answer on this forum anyway is "yes." How that plays into the above question is still a mystery.</p><p></p><p>Runestar: Your question is for another thread, but the quick answer is that it's a way people use to insult each other. For example, if someone posted a rules clarification and someone else said "no, that's some houserule, the real rule is X" - well, it can get a lot snippier than that, but the point is that calling someone's rule call a houserule can and has been used as a thinly veiled insult. It happens often enough that there's a rule about it.</p><p></p><p>Mistwell: Actually, "guideline" and "rule" are synonyms. Whether or not that carries weight either way in this discussion I have no idea, but surely that makes sense as to why it's confusing? Technically I would call all of the PHB, DMG, and MM "guidelines." But it's really just semantics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 4643071, member: 9789"] Thanks again for the great replies. So, I think you can replace "legal" with "RAW" in my above statements and it's pretty much the same question: do you consider PCs playing MM races RAW? And, in this very thread, we have answers ranging from "yes" to "of course not." Setting aside the RPGA entanglements that automatically create another set of rules (which, I think we all agree, it is a little more cut-and-dry that RPGA rules do not allow MM races) and even setting aside the "RAI" point that Dinkeldog brought up (although also clearly worth exploring), we still have the base problem that the wording of those two paragraphs in the MM lead perfectly reasonable people to two perfectly reasonable - but opposite - conclusions. ...So is the answer that we all agree to disagree? I have no idea. I asked that once too, and was told quite quickly that "everything is core." I know I sure didn't count Dragon as core in 3.5, and I also know I sure don't agree with having to pay for updates to books I've bought, but clearly WotC did not consult me. :) So the answer on this forum anyway is "yes." How that plays into the above question is still a mystery. Runestar: Your question is for another thread, but the quick answer is that it's a way people use to insult each other. For example, if someone posted a rules clarification and someone else said "no, that's some houserule, the real rule is X" - well, it can get a lot snippier than that, but the point is that calling someone's rule call a houserule can and has been used as a thinly veiled insult. It happens often enough that there's a rule about it. Mistwell: Actually, "guideline" and "rule" are synonyms. Whether or not that carries weight either way in this discussion I have no idea, but surely that makes sense as to why it's confusing? Technically I would call all of the PHB, DMG, and MM "guidelines." But it's really just semantics. [/QUOTE]
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