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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mathew_Freeman" data-source="post: 831261" data-attributes="member: 1846">OK, but you're not going to like my defense of the monk, that much is obvious.OK, does this apply to everyone else too? No greater spell focus, no greater spell penetration, no extra rage, no greater two weapon fighting, no expert tactician...etc etc etc. No fun prestige classes either, just those from the DMG. Balances things out a little, doesn't it?Yes, but then at level one everybody sucks. Monks at first level may be a little weak, but they likely have the best saves across the board, plus evasion (which rogues don't get until 2nd!)What? Neither is anybody else. That is completely irrelevant to how good the monk class is. I'll take the <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> with that, though, and move on...OK, in a low magic world. But then, in a low magic world, you're not facing creatures with high DR, unless the DM is really mean. Also, you can pay your friends to create you items, especially cheap items like Boots of Striding and Springing, which I believe are 6000gp after errata.If your DM will let you take all 18's then let him see the consequences. Although the monk makes the best use of high stats, he doesn't need them. All characters look better from a combat point of view with higher numbers. Doesn't make them any more interesting, or useful. But I do agree that a high stat monk is very effective.Well, I played my monk like a kung fu fighter! My DM was kind enough not to set us impossible problems with vision, and so the halfling rogue did the scouting for us. And if it hadn't been for an unlucky critical on a dissolving touch, he would still be alive.I still say the Monk is an exciting and fun class, perfectly playable, and just as good as anyone else.*Tallarn waits for the angry response, but hopes he doesn't get one*Edited twice for dumb formatting.</blockquote>

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