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<blockquote data-quote="Bauglir" data-source="post: 834171" data-attributes="member: 6982">Mnk 5 - 16 dex, wis, 14 str , Weapon Finesse (+6 to hit)I was basing it off this guy.Stunning fist DC = 10 + 1/2 monk's level [2.5] rnd down = 2 + wis = 3= 15Yes I was factoring in the chance to hit, since that has a bearing on the chance of a stun, once declared actually landing..I chose an even CR to the monk, which seemed a fair test, plus gave enough results to reduce statistical skewing (plenty of CR 5 monsters).&nbsp; I'm fairly confident you could do mnk 4 vs all CR 4, mnk 6 vs all CR 6 etc and see a similar result (but I'm not going to because that was a lot of work <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />). The Yuan-ti have weak fortitude saves, but the monk still only has a 33% chance of affecting these (and that's BEFORE they bring their special abilities to bear...)How exactly does a 13% success rate NOT qualify for the title of 'not as useful'?Heck even against a spellcaster:Wiz5 - Dex, Con 14, Mage Armour, Shield = AC 23Chance to hit = 20%Chance to fail fort = 55%Chance of successful stun = 11%</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bauglir, post: 834171, member: 6982"] Mnk 5 - 16 dex, wis, 14 str , Weapon Finesse (+6 to hit) I was basing it off this guy. Stunning fist DC = 10 + 1/2 monk's level [2.5] rnd down = 2 + wis = 3 = 15 Yes I was factoring in the chance to hit, since that has a bearing on the chance of a stun, once declared actually landing.. I chose an even CR to the monk, which seemed a fair test, plus gave enough results to reduce statistical skewing (plenty of CR 5 monsters). I'm fairly confident you could do mnk 4 vs all CR 4, mnk 6 vs all CR 6 etc and see a similar result (but I'm not going to because that was a lot of work ;)). The Yuan-ti have weak fortitude saves, but the monk still only has a 33% chance of affecting these (and that's BEFORE they bring their special abilities to bear...) How exactly does a 13% success rate NOT qualify for the title of 'not as useful'? Heck even against a spellcaster: Wiz5 - Dex, Con 14, Mage Armour, Shield = AC 23 Chance to hit = 20% Chance to fail fort = 55% Chance of successful stun = 11% [/QUOTE]

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