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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 836667" data-attributes="member: 527">So I guess we've proven that a Monk is at least as good as a Magic Missile?&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; &nbsp;Even at 5th level (IMHO) it was already pointless to be a &quot;support fighter&quot;.&nbsp; The (Half-Orc) Barbarian is like +13 when he is Raging - he doesn't need my pathetic +2 Flanking bonus.&nbsp; And I imagine this only gets worse at higher levels.&nbsp; The best thing I can do for the party in a hard fight is use my ultra-high AC to tie up a foe (like a Troll) who is too stupid to stop attacking me.&nbsp; It's a valid &quot;support role&quot;, but if there's anything less fun than saying, &quot;I taunt the Troll while remaining Total Defensive,&quot; during combat I can't imagine what it is.&nbsp; Also, as someone else suggested, Monks can be useful caddies - bringing Potions past AoOs to the real fighters who need them.&nbsp; In this role I'm a slightly improved version Unseen Servant, but that only makes sense since I started off this discussion being about equal to Magic Missile - which is also a first level Wizard spell.&nbsp; ;-)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 836667, member: 527"] So I guess we've proven that a Monk is at least as good as a Magic Missile? ;-) Even at 5th level (IMHO) it was already pointless to be a "support fighter". The (Half-Orc) Barbarian is like +13 when he is Raging - he doesn't need my pathetic +2 Flanking bonus. And I imagine this only gets worse at higher levels. The best thing I can do for the party in a [I]hard[/I] fight is use my ultra-high AC to tie up a foe (like a Troll) who is too stupid to stop attacking me. It's a valid "support role", but if there's anything less fun than saying, "I taunt the Troll while remaining Total Defensive," during combat I can't imagine what it is. Also, as someone else suggested, Monks can be useful caddies - bringing Potions past AoOs to the real fighters who need them. In this role I'm a slightly improved version Unseen Servant, but that only makes sense since I started off this discussion being about equal to Magic Missile - which is also a first level Wizard spell. ;-) [/QUOTE]

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