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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5444630" data-attributes="member: 71571">Time to deconstruct this.The different distinctions for targets are:Creature, You, Enemy, Ally.  You are a creature.  if you were not a creature, nothing could ever target you.  The definition of what creature means in targetting is pretty clear:  "A creature of any sort."  You certainly qualify.You've already discounted the fact that you yourself are 'a creature of any sort' and therefore this cannot exclude you from the effect.  Just because it goes on to say that it does not discriminate against ally/enemy status does not logically mean it must therefore exclude you.General:  Creature means a creature of any sort.For it not to include you, a specific exception must be presented.  Otherwise there IS no exception, and therefore you are not excepted.  Irrelevant.  All melee cares about is if the target is in range.  Melee 2 does not exclude targets adjacent to you.  You can target yourself with a melee attack because you are within the range of the power from the origin square. 0 <= 1, 2, touch, or weapon for all values of these things.This is true.  If the power does not target allies explicitly, an ally cannot choose to ignore it.[quite[Just 106 prevented the target for targeting itself as a creature because it is not defined.</blockquote>Wrong.I can be targetted by my ally's powers that target creatures.  Therefore I must be a creature of any sort.  My powers that target creatures target creatures of any sort, therefore they must target me.You've placed an artificial constraint on enemy and ally that a creature must be one of those two.  The definition of creature in the context of targetting makes absolutely no distinction whatsoever.  It says, verbatim:  A creature of any sort.You are a creature, ergo, you are a creature.If creature did not target you, then you must not be a creature of any sort.  Ergo other people's powers cannot target you.  As they are also benefitting from this, you cannot target other people.I strongly advise not using rules interpretations that cause the entire ruleset to break down and stop working completely.While I won't say flavor text is irrelevant, it is definately not constraining.  Using flavor text as an excuse to contrain abilities is a bit farfetched... nor do the rules encourage you to do so.... they do encourage some 'outside the box' thinking.Not to mention, every power's flavor text would be retarded levels of awful and long if they included every contigency.  Oh god, imagine what an augmentable power would look like.You do not need a specific exception because the general rules allow you to do this.1)  Melee can target yourself.  You are in range, and nothing says you cannot.2)  Creature includes yourself.  Creature means a creature of any sort, and nothing says you are not.Both have the same logical structure... you have one thing saying that the situation in question would qualify, and it is followed by the complete absence of anything saying that it could not qualify.To sum up why your argument is wrong:  You have yet to present a single exception to the general rules I've noted above that excepts them and makes them not apply to yourself.No specific means no specific beats general.It is your game.  But as a purist, you cannot be adding in inferring clauses the rules do not actually say.[/QUOTE]

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