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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shikami" data-source="post: 5446160" data-attributes="member: 6669047">The origin square of the burst from Fireball, targets each creature.  Which can include you for you are an enemy or an ally.  It is not treated as if you are bursting from the origin square.Incorrect.  It is either one of the two sorts enemy or ally.  And has to be bloodied for it to target.Incorrect, and is very relevant for this is the defined term of creature-semanticsYou said:  "We don't care how you resolve Personal 'attack-type' powers. That's not relevant to the task at hand. We don't care how you resolve powers that include 'you' as a target. That's also not relevant to the task at hand."In this statement you are actually speaking for everyone or yourself? Just a curious quick rhetorical question.  Anyway, you do not care how I resolve?  Seems pretty clear to me the intention of your statement.  These are forums and have a governing way of respect and in every post rebuttal you are clearly showing in your language used:  "Wrong" "don't care."  I have only said incorrect, and proceeded to debunk you; and even given examples to help you (and others).  Perhaps I should say I don't care, or you are wrong.The origin square is the mark for what you use as defined for adjacent to count.  So very relevant. I have not done so at all, nor is there any point I have missed.  Only you have done to this to me, and to the rules.  Look at all my previous posts and say if I have done so.Almost perfect.  A condition may prevent you from targeting even if the action does not need to be used to attack.  Such as being unconscious and petrified.Only you are thinking this and note your general usage of your language.There are only 4 points of a square in which you can draw to the intended target and 1 line of effect.  Only 1 LoE is necessary for the power to work in question.  Even in my example this is exactly it.Incorrect.  Read the pages as previous noted.  It is all there.  As for Scorching Burst, a good example and you perfectly are in understanding of the rules here. Not only that I agree with you!  It is a burst and its origin square is where you place it, within range of course.  Within meaning, up to range if decided, and also meaning your square.  So, if you decided to place it on your square (note not yourself), it will have an affect on you.  It's an area burst, and it targets creatures which is you, in this case (ally), just like fireball.I am quoting the rules.  However, there is a specific that has to be understood.  Frankly, I do not think you are understanding any of the posts which I have made.  Which is ironic.Any sort of the two concerning targets which are enemy or ally.  Not being able to target a creature means it has to target an enemy or ally.  As would be described by the power.Now, you have a contradiction of your previous rebuttals.Range melee 1  Look on page 220.  Even though this is an example for cover it can be an example for a few things.  If you are the creator space then yes.  If the burst, such as fireball, you are not the space.  The origin square proceeds to acquire the appropriate targets which are creatures-enemy or ally.  In most or probably all cases I concur that it is not tactical, and smart. Whoa, whoa!  Did you just ask that question?!  I have stated it and have given the pages many times, and even yourself have your personal logic for the term creature.  But now are asking the question?  Creature=enemy or ally.A Creature is any sort of the two which is enemy or ally.  You are not target you generally are the origin square, the creator's space.I am still waiting for a text step by step resolution debunking using the rules in which we play D&D 4th edition with.  There are no mistakes and the origin square is used for much more; you are generalizing.Because normally, means, if all can normally happens it happens in melee 1.  Such as an immediate interrupt preventing a melee 1 in that square interned with Dimensional Vortex it does not normally happen.Incorrect you would use a personal power.  As for measuring distance pg 202.  Note, one does not start in the space of the creature.  It starts adjacent to the adventurer that is closest to the target intended.</blockquote>

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