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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shikami" data-source="post: 5446228" data-attributes="member: 6669047">Hammer TimeI have done so many times.  Please, consult previous posts and pages that I commentated.Pages 105-106Perhaps, not intentionally.  But intent and action are two different things.Reading from the Rules Compendium what are you reading?  Oh wait, is this Shadowrun?You contradict yourself here.  Ask yourself this and look at page 220:  What does an area burst 2 do?  It targets creatures-if that is the target in the power descriptor and lets say that it is.  Creature meaning enemy or ally.I have not claimed I have given examples of the rules, posted the rules, and even given a comprehensive example.  As for #3 read my post to Kingreaper.It applies perfectly, and over and over have posted rebuttals to this.  However, I have answered every question and not once have I changed anything.  Some of you have assumed that I have, but are only being illogical with the defined terms givenYou are dodging, or you were being ambiguous.  Still the language used did not indicate trivial "as in easy."There is a square it has four points in which to draw a line to the intended target for LoEif in question.  Only four possibilities to the other square.  Honestly, one does not need to be drawn, which was my point, actually, in my example.  It is a clear line.  You are thinking permutations.  Permutation do not apply here.  Note, the example on page 107 does not draw 32 lines to see if it has LoE to the goblin.  There are 4 lines-starting from each point of the square-it can draw to the goblin all passing through terrain-No line of effect.  And note it says from origin square.Hammer TimeIncorrect and NO this is not verbatim.  "Enemy:  means opponent of the power's user."  Ally:  means companion of the power's user.  That is verbatimWait not Shadowrun, must be Call of Cthulu.So close!  What have I been typing in my previous posts?  And yes, they are exclusive as they are defined.  Origin square does not equal target.  It is origin square, and target is target.  Exclusive, unless specified of course.Page 100: "Melee [number]: The power can be used against a target that is within the specified number of squares of the power's origin square. For example, a melee power that has a range of 1 can normally be used against an adjacent target, whereas a melee power that has a range of 0 can be used only against a target sharing the attacker's space.Whoa, logic bomb!  So they are not creatures, they are not enemies, and they are not allies!  OMG, what do we target Fargrim?!  We cannot target anything!  Origin square, boom, any creatures in burst within its LoE.  Simple.  Oh your example is not disconnected they are both thoughts of an option(s) that you may so desire.  There is Fruit.  There is apple and there is orange.  Both fruits however dissimilar.Done many times!  Creature=enemy or ally, and you are not THE TARGET OF THE INTENDED POWER. Unless......Apparently, I have to go over this again:  Seek previous post concerning subject matter.  Now now, what did I say about bursts???  Do not take me out of context!Hazzah!Booooooo!  Incorrect.  They have everything to do with the post you made and the rules.</blockquote>

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