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<blockquote data-quote="666Sinner666" data-source="post: 5447006" data-attributes="member: 75824">I'm going to weigh in with a real game situation from a few weeks ago;&nbsp;The party was on a large ship in the middle of the ocean. A kraken appears and attacks the ship and its crew. We were only level 16 and the kraken the DM had made and was using was a level 20'ish solo elite so it was the only enemy. The krakens melee at will could hit any creature or creatures up to 8 times. There was an essentials mage in the group with Hypnotism. Oddly enough its will defense was the lowest defense. That being said the DM ruled in that situation the kraken COULD attack itself since otherwise the mage had little else he could do, that and he fully expected us to get our butts handed to us since we were mostly melee and attacked AC and it had a 39 AC and the highest to hit bonus was +22, my artificer|warlord.&nbsp;In all the other combats we have been in where there were multiple enemies the DM has not allowed the mage to use Hypnotism in such a way because there were other valid targets the mage could have made the enemy attack.&nbsp;So, while the rules are all well and dandy they should never get in the way of good fun and are up to the DM's interpertation. Plus &quot;stop hitting yourself&quot; has become the mages signature line.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="666Sinner666, post: 5447006, member: 75824"] I'm going to weigh in with a real game situation from a few weeks ago; The party was on a large ship in the middle of the ocean. A kraken appears and attacks the ship and its crew. We were only level 16 and the kraken the DM had made and was using was a level 20'ish solo elite so it was the only enemy. The krakens melee at will could hit any creature or creatures up to 8 times. There was an essentials mage in the group with Hypnotism. Oddly enough its will defense was the lowest defense. That being said the DM ruled in that situation the kraken COULD attack itself since otherwise the mage had little else he could do, that and he fully expected us to get our butts handed to us since we were mostly melee and attacked AC and it had a 39 AC and the highest to hit bonus was +22, my artificer|warlord. In all the other combats we have been in where there were multiple enemies the DM has not allowed the mage to use Hypnotism in such a way because there were other valid targets the mage could have made the enemy attack. So, while the rules are all well and dandy they should never get in the way of good fun and are up to the DM's interpertation. Plus "stop hitting yourself" has become the mages signature line. [/QUOTE]

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