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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7084406" data-attributes="member: 996">Caster supremacy is hardly off-topic when the topic is making a full caster class even more versatile.  And it does go all the way back to the earliest days of the game, heck, when you hear anecdotes from the playtesting of the original D&D, it seems like everyone was playing magic-users.  Which is why, the second half of that is kinda silly.  "WotC hates martials?"  Really?   Let's look at the TSR vs WotC track record:TSR, from 1974 through 1997, came up with what for martial (which in the TSR years, was prettymuch just the fighter) classes?  Weapon Specialization.  Two decades, that was the best they could do.  TSR went from just the magic user, to the magic-user & illusionist, to the Mage and 8 different specialist who all got 9th level spells, and from the Cleric, to the Cleric & Druid, to myriad different specialty priests who all got 9th level spells.WotC, OTOH, from 2000-present:Invented Feats and lavished them on the 3.0 fighter.  OK, that didn't help the fighter emerge from Tier 5, but it was still /something/.  Added new 'martial classes,' like the Knight and Warblade, and finally, in 4e, the Warlord.Speaking of 4e, it actually came the closest D&D ever did to balancing martial & caster classes.  If there was a period where Caster Supremacy was least plausible, it had to be between the release of the 4e PH1 and Essentials.  OK, it was only about 2 years, but it was on WotC's watch. I don't think that's a big issue, 2 spells known/level is plenty, it's the most the wizard has ever gotten automatically (heck, in the early days, you just got a few starting spells and were on your own from then on).   And, while the Cleric & Druid, the other two 'prep'-based neo-Vancian casters, have complete access to their smaller lists, the remaining full casters have far fewer known spells.The Sorcerer,  for instance......wishes he had it so good.</blockquote>

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