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<blockquote data-quote="JoeGKushner" data-source="post: 5320081" data-attributes="member: 1129">In my opinion, since 3rd edition at least, and probably before with the various Complete books, TSR/WoTC has tried to FORCE GMs to accept anything they've printed as 'good to go' and 'official' and 'be the GM who says yes'. So I'm going to disagree with you there.I think you're right here. But at the same time, if you're a new players, how do you know what role playing is? While various GM books have X amount of player types, how many books tlak to the players about interacting with the other players? How many books talk about the role of the class not only in it's purpose, it's game mechanical function, but what it's supposed to actually be about?In addition, there are other bits that players could learn. For example, how to handle different GMing styles. In some cases, the advice might be to quit the game instead of runing the gaming experience for yourself. If there were advice on telling players that killer GMs expect the players to survive on their own wits and you can tell such a GM by X, Y, and Z, it might influence what the player brings to the game.For those who talk about player actions in the game, that is also the sign of good players. I've been in many campaigns where essentially my friend and I, as players, were running the campaign by determining where and what the party did because the other players were essentially there to roll dice and BS and the GM was a very &quot;do as you will&quot;. New players especially are going to have a hard time with a GM who gives the players such a free hand. No dungeon scenario or fitted encounters to a new group would, in my experience, not go very well. It's the difference between &quot;you've heard rumors of X, Y, and Z&quot; and &quot;tell me what you do.&quot; How does a new player know what to do?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JoeGKushner, post: 5320081, member: 1129"] In my opinion, since 3rd edition at least, and probably before with the various Complete books, TSR/WoTC has tried to FORCE GMs to accept anything they've printed as 'good to go' and 'official' and 'be the GM who says yes'. So I'm going to disagree with you there. I think you're right here. But at the same time, if you're a new players, how do you know what role playing is? While various GM books have X amount of player types, how many books tlak to the players about interacting with the other players? How many books talk about the role of the class not only in it's purpose, it's game mechanical function, but what it's supposed to actually be about? In addition, there are other bits that players could learn. For example, how to handle different GMing styles. In some cases, the advice might be to quit the game instead of runing the gaming experience for yourself. If there were advice on telling players that killer GMs expect the players to survive on their own wits and you can tell such a GM by X, Y, and Z, it might influence what the player brings to the game. For those who talk about player actions in the game, that is also the sign of good players. I've been in many campaigns where essentially my friend and I, as players, were running the campaign by determining where and what the party did because the other players were essentially there to roll dice and BS and the GM was a very "do as you will". New players especially are going to have a hard time with a GM who gives the players such a free hand. No dungeon scenario or fitted encounters to a new group would, in my experience, not go very well. It's the difference between "you've heard rumors of X, Y, and Z" and "tell me what you do." How does a new player know what to do? [/QUOTE]

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