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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 3212324" data-attributes="member: 10177">Yep, the Trolls have learned to do much better lay out and organization, which is the "flaw" of the Erde book, and many TLG products. So they are re-doing the material as the default setting for C&C, but free of mechanics. Settings I like that I think probbaly fit your criteria (and second the opinion of several others), is Codex of Erde, Wilderlands, Iron Kingdoms World Guide Volume 2, Blackmoor, and Castle Zagyg Vol. 1 Yggsburgh. The new Goodman Games Known World fits too, I think.Even though you would have to use a lot of rules to really use the setting as it is meant to be used, I was surprised by how much I like Dawnforge.I have always loved Harn. The fan submissions have just made it that much more awesome. I just never liked the rules system they made to go with it.</blockquote>