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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3269128" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I find it interesting that you are so concerned about getting only those things found in the source material to the point of denying that the character could ever turn undead, and yet having Blade Barrier doesn't bother you at all.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusalka" target="_blank">Rusalka</a>? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koschei" target="_blank">Koshei</a>? How much Russian and Finnish mythology have you really read? There are all sorts of things that depending on your interpretation could be undead, and as a tradiational Shamanic religion there is absolutely no reason that the Finnish shaman-priest singers would or couldn't have power against the dead or have no interaction with the spirits of the dead.</p><p></p><p>You snipped out the central part of my post - Tom Bombadill's song of power against the Barrow Wight. You recognize that Tom Bombadill is inspired by Finnish lore, right? Heck, much of the language of The Lord of the Rings is inspired by Tolkien's love of the Kalevala. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You aren't trying to model the source material. You are trying to model YOUR source material. You have taken your own opinions and interpretations for facts. You get to decide where its 'Ok' to bend the source material ('Blade Barrier', good) and where it is not (turning undead completely out of the question). These are not however objective standards and they are nit picky to boot. So what that you don't have the exact same spell list as your 2nd edition character. No one's 3rd edition character has the exact same spell list as a 2nd edition counterpart. But a spell list is not a concept.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3269128, member: 4937"] I find it interesting that you are so concerned about getting only those things found in the source material to the point of denying that the character could ever turn undead, and yet having Blade Barrier doesn't bother you at all. [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusalka]Rusalka[/URL]? [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koschei]Koshei[/URL]? How much Russian and Finnish mythology have you really read? There are all sorts of things that depending on your interpretation could be undead, and as a tradiational Shamanic religion there is absolutely no reason that the Finnish shaman-priest singers would or couldn't have power against the dead or have no interaction with the spirits of the dead. You snipped out the central part of my post - Tom Bombadill's song of power against the Barrow Wight. You recognize that Tom Bombadill is inspired by Finnish lore, right? Heck, much of the language of The Lord of the Rings is inspired by Tolkien's love of the Kalevala. You aren't trying to model the source material. You are trying to model YOUR source material. You have taken your own opinions and interpretations for facts. You get to decide where its 'Ok' to bend the source material ('Blade Barrier', good) and where it is not (turning undead completely out of the question). These are not however objective standards and they are nit picky to boot. So what that you don't have the exact same spell list as your 2nd edition character. No one's 3rd edition character has the exact same spell list as a 2nd edition counterpart. But a spell list is not a concept. [/QUOTE]
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