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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 3328926" data-attributes="member: 3929">The only time it will ever be any kind of rule, explicit or otherwise, will be if the DM makes it so.If the DM rules such. It is perfectly reasonable that a priest's orders and vows are, like they are in RL, spoken and part of a ritual seperate from magic. And yet that too will depend upon the DM ruling it. There is no game rule concerning itself with the connection between in-game priests and the metagame cleric class, the relationship between the two, or the vows one must make to become one, both, or neither.You argue that to be a priest, you must take levels in cleric. This ruling is not supported in any game material, but will only be an enforcable rule if the DM wills it so. If your DM is hawking this rule on you, then let me know and I'll say, "OK, in your game it's a rule"; acutally, please ask your DM and let us know, because otherwise this conversation will devolve into an "it's a Rule", "cite your source" bickering match. [Emphasis added]There are likely references elsewhere in the spells, but I figured this would be enough to show you that channeling energy is not only mentioned in the Turning rules section, and that  positive and negative energy is associated with a cleric's spells.I don't understand what you're driving at here. Rogues could have 10d6 Sneak Attack at 1st level, but the game designers decided not to write them that way. If you're looking for an in-game explanation of the mechanics, then we might be able to hash something out. If you're looking to harry the designers over their decisions and suggest changes, then the House Rules folks will help a whole hell of a lot more than I will.The description you wrote of your character seemed to me to be wholly flavor. From the culture he was from to the way he reacted to his environment; it is a character you could assign any number of mechanical builds to. But you want him to be a "priest". And for some reason that means he absolutely must with no exceptions have levels in cleric. But you dislike Turn Undead to the point of refusing to take levels in Cleric, because you don't want to not use a class ability because your fellow players won't understand why. Nor would they be able to understand the difference between "in-game profession" and "metagame class-mechanics". Nor will your DM alter the game rules for you to accomodate you.Well, hell.As I can see it your options areAllow that it is possible that in-game priests don't compulsorily take levels in cleric.Whereby you will be able to select any class combination that suits you. Play a cleric, and don't turn undead.And damn your fellow players when they female dog and moan. Play a cleric, and turn undead when you see the buggers.Having gotten over the "my culture's source didn't specify undead!" hang-up. Play a druid.Didn't you say upthread that you didn't want to play a druid because you hadn't looked at it closely? In the three weeks since you started this thread, have you? And frankly, I don't care what you do. But those are your choices. Happy hunting.</blockquote>

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