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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3354326" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>I apologize: there was one question that I forgot to address in my now pentultimate post, so I return to do that, and while I'm here, I'll respond to some of the stuff that came up in the interim.</p><p>To this:</p><p></p><p></p><p>The response below was given:</p><p> </p><p></p><p>I was talking about a playable PC being made from a "monster"- and the book that covers that in depth for D&D is Savage Species. Your calculation does not take into account a natural AC bonus, bonuses to several skills, 2 bonus feats (Track & Weapon Focus) a special quality "that a character of a standard race cannot duplicate" (Scent) and a special attack (Trip), which Savage Species suggests would boost the creature's ECL. Scent alone is worth +1LA, the 2 feats another, a Natural armor bonus between 1 & 5 another point, and the multiple skill bonuses yet another (SS p11-13). That would yield an ECL of 8.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p></p><p>Mimicing a spell is not the same as actually having that spell on your list.</p><p>As I pointed out, not so minor a quibble if the divine being does not recognize the spell as being from a legitimate source. Attonement is about asking the deity (through his designated priests) to be allowed back into its good graces- if you don't have permission, you can't coerce him to accept the spell's target back into the fold. If that spellcaster is not part of the being's heirarchy, there is no logical reason (from the divine being's point of view) why the spell should work. Its akin to saying that the divine being has no say over who is a member of his own faith community.</p><p></p><p>It would be like the Dali Lama telling the Pope he was un-excommunicating a bunch of defrocked priests...and being right!</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>and</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 3354326, member: 19675"] I apologize: there was one question that I forgot to address in my now pentultimate post, so I return to do that, and while I'm here, I'll respond to some of the stuff that came up in the interim. To this: The response below was given: I was talking about a playable PC being made from a "monster"- and the book that covers that in depth for D&D is Savage Species. Your calculation does not take into account a natural AC bonus, bonuses to several skills, 2 bonus feats (Track & Weapon Focus) a special quality "that a character of a standard race cannot duplicate" (Scent) and a special attack (Trip), which Savage Species suggests would boost the creature's ECL. Scent alone is worth +1LA, the 2 feats another, a Natural armor bonus between 1 & 5 another point, and the multiple skill bonuses yet another (SS p11-13). That would yield an ECL of 8. and Mimicing a spell is not the same as actually having that spell on your list. As I pointed out, not so minor a quibble if the divine being does not recognize the spell as being from a legitimate source. Attonement is about asking the deity (through his designated priests) to be allowed back into its good graces- if you don't have permission, you can't coerce him to accept the spell's target back into the fold. If that spellcaster is not part of the being's heirarchy, there is no logical reason (from the divine being's point of view) why the spell should work. Its akin to saying that the divine being has no say over who is a member of his own faith community. It would be like the Dali Lama telling the Pope he was un-excommunicating a bunch of defrocked priests...and being right! and [/QUOTE]
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