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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 2083117" data-attributes="member: 7172">Just because something is TYPICALLY only used by monsters doesn't mean it can't be used by non-monsters who qualify for it, and before Egres jumps down my throat and says (paraphrased) "Well, they don't qualify for it," I believe they do, following Hong's line of logic, just like I did in the last thread about this topic.  There's really no point in responding to your question; you already know the answer, but I'll respond anyway for the sake of those who might not have already heard it - we believe the monk's unarmed attacks meet the definition of 'natural weapons' for the purpose of the feat, and we've laid out for you, in a number of posts, why we believe this.  You don't think the same way, and that's fine - I'm tired of arguing with you about it.  I think we've finally reached a point where we can all pick up our debating toys for this topic and go home, because you're not going to change my mind about it, and I suspect you've made up your mind about it as well.Monsters TYPICALLY use it because they usually more easily qualify for the feats in that section by virtue of their abilities - it's a theme-oriented list of feats that monster will usually get to quicker than PCs will.  However, it's in the MM, it's core, so there's no reason why a player shouldn't be able to take the feat if they meet the pre-requisites for it.It has a GENERAL tag next to its name, last time I looked.  It's still in the core three - it's core material.  Its placement is due to theme, IMO, as I stated above, just not so concisely.  If this was a MONSTER feat, then I'd concede defeat immediately unless my monk was a monster-monk.But this is also mitigated by the fact that Mobility lists Dodge by name as a pre-requisite.  If the wording of the feat stated that he needed a dodge bonus to utilize its effects without naming Dodge as a specific pre-requisite, then he'd golden to take and use it without Dodge.Actually, there is a rule/concept that controls just this sort of thing, IMO - virtual feats.  By this logic your statements are indeed correct; since the slam attack doesn't state anything about being treated as a virtual IUS feat, he doesn't qualify for feats that specifically name IUS as a pre-requisite.  If the text of the feat states it needs certain scenarios to be present that imitate IUS, but don't specifically name IUS as a pre-requisite, then he can take the feat and use it as long as he meets the stated situational modifiers.  Off the top of my head, however, I can't think of any feats like that... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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