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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Trainz" data-source="post: 2083442" data-attributes="member: 2122">And you just wrote exactly what I wanted to say.Really people, are your monks so overpowered in your games and campaign-crushing that you must make such a sustained effort to try to convince the DMing masses that the feat cannot be taken ? It is quite clear that the rules can be interpreted on both ways of the fence. There's no hard evidence for or against it. Therefore, any decision you take is purely influenced by your desires as a game master. Either you (A) give your monk players a break and let them have a fair shot to be a valuable part of the adventuring party, or (B) you don't, and you end up with the monk class being seldom taken at all in your campaign.I would not like to play under DM (B), for such a trend in rules decision can only end up in my gaming pleasure being diminished.I am quite content to have a DM forbid me from doing something in the rules (I would accept that a DM, for example, forbids my sorceror from using any of the Orb spells from CA. The sorceror class isn't underpowered, and it can be debated that the Orb spells are overpowered), but only if he does so in pursuing a balanced and enjoyable campaign. The monk has been identified again and again by many as a sub-par class, and forbiding him to take that feat is just...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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