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<blockquote data-quote="shadowoflameth" data-source="post: 9074438" data-attributes="member: 62336"><p>But who starts with a 19 AC in any class? If you have a 20 Dex and an 18 Wis. sure, but what game allows that at 1st level? and just what are you seeing scaling fast? Your martial arts die is a d4 at 1st. That doesn't scale damage to d8 with unarmed strike until 11th level and you could get that with a fighting style or a feat at 1st. If you start with 16 Dex and 16 Wis. and you use all your ASIs to boost those, you'll have your 19 AC by 12th. So suppose your 12th and did this, at 12th you can attack 4 times spending a Ki point and each does 1d8+4 with +8 to hit. If you have 18 Dex and 20 Wis. The Save on your Stunning Strike is 17. You have mediocre HP because your Con may be 13 so average 63hp. Compare to a fighter with the same standard array who makes his Str 20, Con 18 and takes the Unarmed Fighting Style at 1st level. He does 1d8+5 (doing d8s with them from the start) with +9 to hit at 12th; attacks three times, or six if he action surges and has AC 20 with mundane armor and a shield. He has 114hp. He doesn't have Stunning Strike but he has more ASIs so he could have 20 and 20 by this level or have added a feat.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="shadowoflameth, post: 9074438, member: 62336"] But who starts with a 19 AC in any class? If you have a 20 Dex and an 18 Wis. sure, but what game allows that at 1st level? and just what are you seeing scaling fast? Your martial arts die is a d4 at 1st. That doesn't scale damage to d8 with unarmed strike until 11th level and you could get that with a fighting style or a feat at 1st. If you start with 16 Dex and 16 Wis. and you use all your ASIs to boost those, you'll have your 19 AC by 12th. So suppose your 12th and did this, at 12th you can attack 4 times spending a Ki point and each does 1d8+4 with +8 to hit. If you have 18 Dex and 20 Wis. The Save on your Stunning Strike is 17. You have mediocre HP because your Con may be 13 so average 63hp. Compare to a fighter with the same standard array who makes his Str 20, Con 18 and takes the Unarmed Fighting Style at 1st level. He does 1d8+5 (doing d8s with them from the start) with +9 to hit at 12th; attacks three times, or six if he action surges and has AC 20 with mundane armor and a shield. He has 114hp. He doesn't have Stunning Strike but he has more ASIs so he could have 20 and 20 by this level or have added a feat. [/QUOTE]

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