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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9219470" data-attributes="member: 18">Yup. This sort of approach would be much more sensible, and actually quite reflective of how it's tended to work in other editions of D&amp;D and other RPGs, ones which weren't mortally terrified of unarmed/unarmoured stuff. Monks not having even light armour proficiency is fairly bizarre and conceptually limits an already excessively conceptually limited class even further (excluding concepts like the Japanese Sohei - sure you can do them as Clerics or Paladins or whatever, but it's so weird to have ultra-orientalized &quot;Monk&quot; class which still manages to only really be &quot;Shaolin&quot;, despite other Asian warrior monk traditions).Natural weapons should mostly be finesse, too - honestly I think they all should be even if it doesn't 100% make &quot;realistic&quot; sense (again, we let halflings use 2H swords etc.) so there's at least a CHANCE a PC could make use of them, because far more PCs have a decent DEX than a decent STR, across all PCs.A lot of this gets negotiated at the table, but it's like, that's only happening because WotC are irrationally terrified of these things. It's such a weird hang-up and very 5E-specific.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9219470, member: 18"] Yup. This sort of approach would be much more sensible, and actually quite reflective of how it's tended to work in other editions of D&D and other RPGs, ones which weren't mortally terrified of unarmed/unarmoured stuff. Monks not having even light armour proficiency is fairly bizarre and conceptually limits an already excessively conceptually limited class even further (excluding concepts like the Japanese Sohei - sure you can do them as Clerics or Paladins or whatever, but it's so weird to have ultra-orientalized "Monk" class which still manages to only really be "Shaolin", despite other Asian warrior monk traditions). Natural weapons should mostly be finesse, too - honestly I think they all should be even if it doesn't 100% make "realistic" sense (again, we let halflings use 2H swords etc.) so there's at least a CHANCE a PC could make use of them, because far more PCs have a decent DEX than a decent STR, across all PCs. A lot of this gets negotiated at the table, but it's like, that's only happening because WotC are irrationally terrified of these things. It's such a weird hang-up and very 5E-specific. [/QUOTE]

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