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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 8528959" data-attributes="member: 63508">It's more that I see Action Surge as a Physical thing and Maneuvers as Mental.The warrior who crushes an orc's skull and ribs with his hammer because he's just as strong should use different mechanics from the warrior who used his knowledge to decapitate another orc with Master Kon's Seven Streams Strike.To me Ajax, Achilles, and Odysseus are different classes. Might, Origon/Patron, and Knowledge. 3 different stories. 3 different sources of power. 3 different classes. Attempting to do them all in the same class weakens the story and prevents combinations via multiclassing.You should be able to play as a Hector style warrior. A Might hero (Action surge) who gets blessing from allied gods (invocations) as a multiclassesed Champion/Chosen. Or you could be his brother Paris who gets invocations as well but uses trick shots as a Battlemaster/Chosen. Or you could go Menelaus or Agememnon and mutliclass for both Surges and Maneuvers without obvious patron boosting from the sidelines. "I'm a King who also smashes skulls. This is all kingly muscle. (Cuss Word) your stupid city!"</blockquote>