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<blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6057247" data-attributes="member: 9037">3E does not play like 2E stats and saves I have found are more important in 3E than in 2E.Having as you put it a normal save is not bad unless you also add in low hit points as well. I have played many a game with a +o to a save or even a -1 or -2 to a save. But this was often countered by better hit points or being better at something else. In the 15 point buy I had a 10 in my dex which meant no bonus to my reflex save but also meant no extra AC either.I have never found a the game to run well on such a low point buy unless you also lower the CR threats for that group. Playing Age of Worms right now and I know that a party of 15 point buy PCs would be hard pressed to live long enough to get through the first few levels. The DMs guide does say that a 15 point buy is for low powered games. And that is something the DM has to keep in mind if he wants the game to be fun and challenging instead of just a death slog.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Elf Witch, post: 6057247, member: 9037"] 3E does not play like 2E stats and saves I have found are more important in 3E than in 2E. Having as you put it a normal save is not bad unless you also add in low hit points as well. I have played many a game with a +o to a save or even a -1 or -2 to a save. But this was often countered by better hit points or being better at something else. In the 15 point buy I had a 10 in my dex which meant no bonus to my reflex save but also meant no extra AC either. I have never found a the game to run well on such a low point buy unless you also lower the CR threats for that group. Playing Age of Worms right now and I know that a party of 15 point buy PCs would be hard pressed to live long enough to get through the first few levels. The DMs guide does say that a 15 point buy is for low powered games. And that is something the DM has to keep in mind if he wants the game to be fun and challenging instead of just a death slog. [/QUOTE]

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