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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6067460" data-attributes="member: 6696971">Where you are making your mistake here is taking the 1st, 2nd, 3rd order functions (its direct effect and then indirect intangibles) of a spell (eg a fire spell) and comparing it solely to the 1st order function (solely its direct effect) of martial proficiency or mastery.  A correct mapping would be to compare it this way (and this is how it should, and can, play out in terms of resource schemes and deployable resources - and does in 4e):Fire spellcasting capability > burns enemies > sets combustibles alight and can produce conflagrations > start a controlled fire to burn underbrush and protect a wood from forest fire, light a pipe, or start a campfire.Professional swordsman > slashes and stabs enemies and parries blows > steels the body and mind; develops coordination, strength, dexterity and grit that will provide advantage in most other mundane trades/practices/affairs/contests > inevitably creates credibility/reputation/legend amongst the warrior (military) and common caste (and possibly the nobility) from town to city to region.There are numerous 2nd and 3rd order intangibles, derivatives and gateways that arise from martial practice and infamy.  You can see them easily enough in our cultures around the world.  The world cultures are not in awe of the best analog that we have for wizards; engineers, chemists, physicists, microbiologists (even though they should be).  They are held captive by the specter of amazing mundane feats of athletes, gladiators, warriors (courage, strength, speed, dexterity, grit, heart) that far surpass what they can imagine themselves being capable of...and they aspire to that.  Those benefits have real world application and can easily be transcribed as codified, deployable resources and benefits in a gaming system (and have been).</blockquote>

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