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<blockquote data-quote="Salthorae" data-source="post: 5822162" data-attributes="member: 1095"><p>Hmm, I hadn't read the updated PF text for that spell. It's incredibly nerfed from the 3/3.5 version which just immediately stops the Dominate/Charm effects from effecting the creature for the duration of PfE. </p><p></p><p>I would agree based on the PF wording that the player in your example would get an immediate new save, though note it would be at a total of +4 (+2 Morale +2 Resistance) from the first effect of PfE vs. the DC of the Dominate effect. If successful, the Dominate is supressed for the duration of PfE and the player can act as normal, otherwise the player is Dominated. </p><p></p><p>Couple of other points...</p><p></p><p>1. The Vampire's Dominate ability is "Su", which is a Supernatural ability that acts as a Dominate Person spell (CL12). Using a Supernatural ability in combat is only a Standard Action <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Actions-In-Combat" target="_blank">Actions in Combat</a> even in Pathfinder. So... your Vampire could Dominate a player and command them in the same round. </p><p></p><p>2. Issuing a command to the player such as "attack the party" likely constitutes an "action against (the player's) nature" which would generate another Saving Throw attempt to completely shrug off the Dominate effect. See <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/dominate-person" target="_blank">Clarification</a> under the Dominate Spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Salthorae, post: 5822162, member: 1095"] Hmm, I hadn't read the updated PF text for that spell. It's incredibly nerfed from the 3/3.5 version which just immediately stops the Dominate/Charm effects from effecting the creature for the duration of PfE. I would agree based on the PF wording that the player in your example would get an immediate new save, though note it would be at a total of +4 (+2 Morale +2 Resistance) from the first effect of PfE vs. the DC of the Dominate effect. If successful, the Dominate is supressed for the duration of PfE and the player can act as normal, otherwise the player is Dominated. Couple of other points... 1. The Vampire's Dominate ability is "Su", which is a Supernatural ability that acts as a Dominate Person spell (CL12). Using a Supernatural ability in combat is only a Standard Action [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat#TOC-Actions-In-Combat"]Actions in Combat[/URL] even in Pathfinder. So... your Vampire could Dominate a player and command them in the same round. 2. Issuing a command to the player such as "attack the party" likely constitutes an "action against (the player's) nature" which would generate another Saving Throw attempt to completely shrug off the Dominate effect. See [URL="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/d/dominate-person"]Clarification[/URL] under the Dominate Spell. [/QUOTE]
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