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<blockquote data-quote="Arrowhawk" data-source="post: 5743937" data-attributes="member: 6679551"><p>Ignoring the fact that after they made the sandwich, they left it on the counter (because you didn't say bring it to me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ), my interpretation is that once the command is completed, the person goes back to the uncommanded state and no DC check would be warranted. So yes, same state as Dominated but no command given. </p><p></p><p>If you read the Rules of the Game articles about enchantments, it makes a big deal about the phrasing of the command. I read that RotG emphasis as saying, if you try and get cute with this spell or make it do too much, you're going to get discovered. If you give the person an open ended command which can't be completed...I would argue that they act Dominated the whole time. </p><p></p><p>I liken Dominate Person to a blunt force object in the spectrum of enchantments. Try making a sandwich with a hammer. It's pretty hard to do that without those nearby taking notice. Even if you hammer a nail (something the hammer is designed for) it is going to be noticed by everyone around</p><p></p><p>If I were the DM and the dominator said, "Okay...now act naturally." That would constitute a command which doesn't have any termination point. DC checks galore. To put it another way, you can't tell the person to do anything without triggering checks by those observing. The RotG even says a person familiar with the dominated person should get between +2 to +4 on the check. Couple that with a DC 15 and you're looking at a very bad enchantment for trying to use on a PC and expecting them to remain undiscovered. My .02.</p><p></p><p>On a philosophical level, I don't think you can command someone to act "naturally" and have it work as if the person were never commanded. But that's just me pontificating.</p><p></p><p>The real question is what does the person who completes the task know as result of completing the task? Does the person know they just made a sandwich? Do they know why? Do they remember being told to make a sandwich? What if you were ordered to kill a party member and you failed your Saving Throw? What thought processes result after the dp has killed a fellow party member against her will?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arrowhawk, post: 5743937, member: 6679551"] Ignoring the fact that after they made the sandwich, they left it on the counter (because you didn't say bring it to me ;) ), my interpretation is that once the command is completed, the person goes back to the uncommanded state and no DC check would be warranted. So yes, same state as Dominated but no command given. If you read the Rules of the Game articles about enchantments, it makes a big deal about the phrasing of the command. I read that RotG emphasis as saying, if you try and get cute with this spell or make it do too much, you're going to get discovered. If you give the person an open ended command which can't be completed...I would argue that they act Dominated the whole time. I liken Dominate Person to a blunt force object in the spectrum of enchantments. Try making a sandwich with a hammer. It's pretty hard to do that without those nearby taking notice. Even if you hammer a nail (something the hammer is designed for) it is going to be noticed by everyone around If I were the DM and the dominator said, "Okay...now act naturally." That would constitute a command which doesn't have any termination point. DC checks galore. To put it another way, you can't tell the person to do anything without triggering checks by those observing. The RotG even says a person familiar with the dominated person should get between +2 to +4 on the check. Couple that with a DC 15 and you're looking at a very bad enchantment for trying to use on a PC and expecting them to remain undiscovered. My .02. On a philosophical level, I don't think you can command someone to act "naturally" and have it work as if the person were never commanded. But that's just me pontificating. The real question is what does the person who completes the task know as result of completing the task? Does the person know they just made a sandwich? Do they know why? Do they remember being told to make a sandwich? What if you were ordered to kill a party member and you failed your Saving Throw? What thought processes result after the dp has killed a fellow party member against her will? [/QUOTE]
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