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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vegepygmy" data-source="post: 5744086" data-attributes="member: 40109">How handy? Can the dominated person draw a sheathed sword in order to use it? Can he walk across the room to pick it up so he can use it? Can he go downstairs to get it? Can he go outside? Can he go across town? Where do you draw the line? I think the dominated person can do whatever is reasonably necessary to equip himself to perform the ordered action. If the fighter has to go across town to get a sword, he will. He just won't stop to smell any flowers along the way. If the wizard has to prepare a magic missile to have any reasonable chance of killing Mialee, he will. Sure. But if you didn't specify "with the dagger you have in your hand," he won't. Don't move the goalposts. I'm saying that "attempting" to do the impossible is not an "attempt" at all. If a dominated person is commanded to "fly from City A to City B," does he stand there and flap his arms pointlessly? Or does he walk himself over to the magic airship tower, pay the fare, and catch a ride to City B? If a dominated person is commanded to "climb up onto that roof," does he claw and scrape at the sheer sides of the building until his hands are bloody stumps? Or does he walk six houses down, get the ladder he knows his neighbor keeps there, and use it to climb up onto the roof? But nothing. You asked what WotC was trying to communicate about the spell, and I pointed you to Table 4-3. In their own words, a DC 15 Sense Motive check is a "tough" Sense Motive check. That's the answer to your question. I play in games where the PCs are exceptional individuals in a world populated mostly by ordinary people, and I consider those ordinary people to set the baseline for what is typical, while the PCs are almost always extraordinary specimens. I make the comparison because it's not as obvious when someone is being dominated as you seem to believe it is. It's "bloody obvious" when someone has been zombified; it's not that obvious when they are being dominated.</blockquote>

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