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<blockquote data-quote="Steel_Wind" data-source="post: 8915017" data-attributes="member: 20741"><p>Please understand, I don't think you are wrong. I absolutely agree with you.</p><p></p><p>At the same time, I don't think WotC is meaningfully persuadable at this point. This isn't a negotiation, this is just a PR performance now. There's a BIG difference between the two.</p><p></p><p>So WotC isn't persuadable on the key issues of de-authorization and s. 1(b) "works covered". As it so happens, I'm not persuadable on my reaction to that, either. I'm out.</p><p></p><p>I will continue paying my DDB subscription which powers my 2 current Foundry 5e campaigns until one of the following happens:</p><p></p><p>1- DDB takes steps to break Foundry's use of that data;</p><p>2- Black Flag or another clone in suitable form is released AND support for same exists on Foundry VTT; or</p><p>3- Both my current 5e campaigns come to a natural end.</p><p></p><p>One of those campaigns (<em>RotFM</em>) will likely come to a close by very late spring or early summer 2023. The other (<em>SotDQ</em>) will likely stretch into mid 2024 as we have just started. The replacement for <em>RotFM</em> will be a conversion of the DL 1-14 classic DragonLance campaign. I had thought to roll with 5e on that and do some cool campaign crossover with the two at some point (which I have never done), but ... likely not now. I'm certainly not starting another 5e campaign now. So I have already made the choice to convert DL 1-14 instead, to PF2. It's okay -- <em>Frightful Presence</em> is a persistent issue in the Classic DL campaign's design and the PF2 rules work much better with that and require no changes. It's fussy work, but it's not <em>that</em> hard.</p><p></p><p>Yes, I will share those conversion notes and PF2 Statblocks when complete.</p><p></p><p>So really, at this point? That's it for me. In my estimation, WotC and I are at the fork in the road where we exchange <em><span style="color: rgb(251, 160, 38)">Mutual Screw Yous.</span></em> It's not new to me -- it's happened twice before during my time as a gamer. Indeed, I have spent much more of the past 43+ years NOT playing D&D (and playing some other FRPG game system) than I have playing a D&D branded product. (Roughly only 1/3rd of that time actively playing some form of D&D branded game). </p><p></p><p>I'm good, thanks. Fight the Good Fight, by all means, but I will leave <em>Dungeon$ and Drama</em> to Mr. Cao and Co. to bilk for what he can manage to squeeze out of it with subscription fees and microtransactions. I'm preparing to take my wallet and<em> go play something else </em>and I am at peace with it.</p><p></p><p>I hope at some point that you - and the rest of the similarly disposed gamers on ENWorld each find their slice of Zen in all of this, too. WotC doesn't own this game; they just own a trademark. It'll be fine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steel_Wind, post: 8915017, member: 20741"] Please understand, I don't think you are wrong. I absolutely agree with you. At the same time, I don't think WotC is meaningfully persuadable at this point. This isn't a negotiation, this is just a PR performance now. There's a BIG difference between the two. So WotC isn't persuadable on the key issues of de-authorization and s. 1(b) "works covered". As it so happens, I'm not persuadable on my reaction to that, either. I'm out. I will continue paying my DDB subscription which powers my 2 current Foundry 5e campaigns until one of the following happens: 1- DDB takes steps to break Foundry's use of that data; 2- Black Flag or another clone in suitable form is released AND support for same exists on Foundry VTT; or 3- Both my current 5e campaigns come to a natural end. One of those campaigns ([I]RotFM[/I]) will likely come to a close by very late spring or early summer 2023. The other ([I]SotDQ[/I]) will likely stretch into mid 2024 as we have just started. The replacement for [I]RotFM[/I] will be a conversion of the DL 1-14 classic DragonLance campaign. I had thought to roll with 5e on that and do some cool campaign crossover with the two at some point (which I have never done), but ... likely not now. I'm certainly not starting another 5e campaign now. So I have already made the choice to convert DL 1-14 instead, to PF2. It's okay -- [I]Frightful Presence[/I] is a persistent issue in the Classic DL campaign's design and the PF2 rules work much better with that and require no changes. It's fussy work, but it's not [I]that[/I] hard. Yes, I will share those conversion notes and PF2 Statblocks when complete. So really, at this point? That's it for me. In my estimation, WotC and I are at the fork in the road where we exchange [I][COLOR=rgb(251, 160, 38)]Mutual Screw Yous.[/COLOR][/I] It's not new to me -- it's happened twice before during my time as a gamer. Indeed, I have spent much more of the past 43+ years NOT playing D&D (and playing some other FRPG game system) than I have playing a D&D branded product. (Roughly only 1/3rd of that time actively playing some form of D&D branded game). I'm good, thanks. Fight the Good Fight, by all means, but I will leave [I]Dungeon$ and Drama[/I] to Mr. Cao and Co. to bilk for what he can manage to squeeze out of it with subscription fees and microtransactions. I'm preparing to take my wallet and[I] go play something else [/I]and I am at peace with it. I hope at some point that you - and the rest of the similarly disposed gamers on ENWorld each find their slice of Zen in all of this, too. WotC doesn't own this game; they just own a trademark. It'll be fine. [/QUOTE]
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