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Don't make me roll for initiative.........again
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<blockquote data-quote="3catcircus" data-source="post: 2939938" data-attributes="member: 16077"><p>Yes - the DM would have to record a number...  the book-keeping falls on the DM, not the player.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You are missing a big part of my argument:  that the DM is *required* to arbitrate these things in order to make it work.  Yes - if you delay or ready your action, then you could possibly go last, then first.  The rules are very clear on what your initiative does as a result of delaying or readying an action.  The DM *has* to arbitrate whether or not the changed initiative applies for the round following the action, or for the entire combat.  I would arbitrate it only fixes his initiative for the round immediately following the action.</p><p></p><p>If the DM is unwilling or unable to do his job, then he should stick to basic initiative rules.</p><p></p><p>As to your concern over not being able to take any action as a result of an NPC getting a lucky initiative roll - "them's the breaks."  I don't know why, but your post seems to indicate that PC's should never die or be incapacitated by an NPC.  I almost feel like you are saying that the NPCs should be nothing more than bowling pins.  Yes, there may be lucky and unlucky breaks, but to quote Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge: "Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome."</p><p></p><p>We all know how most "balanced" combats go - they last a few rounds, with the NPCs barely getting any successful attacks at all while the PCs mop the floor with them.  While PCs can suffer unlucky die rolls every combat, they also have every combat for the <strong>players</strong> to perfect their tactics.  Most of the NPCs that the DM runs in combat are never going to be played through multiple combats in order for the DM to perfect their tactics.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="3catcircus, post: 2939938, member: 16077"] Yes - the DM would have to record a number... the book-keeping falls on the DM, not the player. You are missing a big part of my argument: that the DM is *required* to arbitrate these things in order to make it work. Yes - if you delay or ready your action, then you could possibly go last, then first. The rules are very clear on what your initiative does as a result of delaying or readying an action. The DM *has* to arbitrate whether or not the changed initiative applies for the round following the action, or for the entire combat. I would arbitrate it only fixes his initiative for the round immediately following the action. If the DM is unwilling or unable to do his job, then he should stick to basic initiative rules. As to your concern over not being able to take any action as a result of an NPC getting a lucky initiative roll - "them's the breaks." I don't know why, but your post seems to indicate that PC's should never die or be incapacitated by an NPC. I almost feel like you are saying that the NPCs should be nothing more than bowling pins. Yes, there may be lucky and unlucky breaks, but to quote Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge: "Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome." We all know how most "balanced" combats go - they last a few rounds, with the NPCs barely getting any successful attacks at all while the PCs mop the floor with them. While PCs can suffer unlucky die rolls every combat, they also have every combat for the [b]players[/b] to perfect their tactics. Most of the NPCs that the DM runs in combat are never going to be played through multiple combats in order for the DM to perfect their tactics. [/QUOTE]
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