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<blockquote data-quote="Vince_Snetterton" data-source="post: 8466288" data-attributes="member: 7033114">Once again, you are applying your own set of values to something that is completely subjective. Roleplaying = acting, and by definition that is a completely personal expression of how the actor believes the char should be portrayed in that particular setting. For example, go watch The Producers (the original movie). What the producers thought would be a offensive disaster ended up being a hit, as the audience loved it. I don't know your what your thresholds are for what is being a &quot;decent person&quot;, and what is &quot;being a jerk&quot;. And you don't know mine. And you don't know anyone else's either, unless they precisely tell you what they found offensive, and why. Every single person is different, and no one has the right to say to another person &quot;You have to stop that behaviour, because I find it offensive&quot; Now, if you want to get a group of people that agree with you that some precise act or comment is offensive, then yeah, we see now every day how that works. But as an individual, no. So, how about this:I am playing a Paladin with a dump stat of Int = 8. (I never play, nor allow chars at my table with stats less than 8).The Paladin says to the group &quot;You guys with your puzzle-solving brains, too much for me, wake me when you are done&quot;. Offensive to you? How about the same Paladin when faced with doing some mathematical calculation really quickly, like calculating the volume and mass of a huge jug of water, in order to rescue the party from a trap, and the player says, in-game &quot;I am not smart enough to do that!&quot; Offensive to you? Because those two comments/situations are certainly not offensive to me, and I am betting I can find a critical mass of players that would just blink if asked if they found those comments offensive. Conversely, I am sure there are people out there that blow a gasket at those comments. Who is right in that case?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vince_Snetterton, post: 8466288, member: 7033114"] Once again, you are applying your own set of values to something that is completely subjective. Roleplaying = acting, and by definition that is a completely personal expression of how the actor believes the char should be portrayed in that particular setting. For example, go watch The Producers (the original movie). What the producers thought would be a offensive disaster ended up being a hit, as the audience loved it. I don't know your what your thresholds are for what is being a "decent person", and what is "being a jerk". And you don't know mine. And you don't know anyone else's either, unless they precisely tell you what they found offensive, and why. Every single person is different, and no one has the right to say to another person "You have to stop that behaviour, because I find it offensive" Now, if you want to get a group of people that agree with you that some precise act or comment is offensive, then yeah, we see now every day how that works. But as an individual, no. So, how about this: I am playing a Paladin with a dump stat of Int = 8. (I never play, nor allow chars at my table with stats less than 8). The Paladin says to the group "You guys with your puzzle-solving brains, too much for me, wake me when you are done". Offensive to you? How about the same Paladin when faced with doing some mathematical calculation really quickly, like calculating the volume and mass of a huge jug of water, in order to rescue the party from a trap, and the player says, in-game "I am not smart enough to do that!" Offensive to you? Because those two comments/situations are certainly not offensive to me, and I am betting I can find a critical mass of players that would just blink if asked if they found those comments offensive. Conversely, I am sure there are people out there that blow a gasket at those comments. Who is right in that case? [/QUOTE]

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