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Don't play "stupid" characters. It is ableist.
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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8466648" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Once again, you are failing to misunderstand the basic premise of the original post. </p><p></p><p>But to use your example: an actor can portray a character however they feel like it. However, the portrayal may be an offensive mockery. </p><p></p><p>If you literally don't know if something is an offensive mockery, then try to find out.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you deliberately trying to make fun of someone or a group of people by mocking how they act or how you think they act? Then you're quite probably being a jerk. This is particularly the case if you're mocking someone for an inborn trait (intelligence) rather than a choice they make (political party). </p><p></p><p>(Also, you do realize that the Producers is a movie and the audience in it was <em>written </em>to find it funny. From what I've read, the actual movie had mixed reviews upon release but gained popularity later on.)</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Everyone </em>has the right to say that to other people. People aren't required to <em>stop </em>the behavior--but on the other hand, if someone is telling you they find your behavior offensive, then it might be a good idea to examine the behavior in question. Maybe that person who told you that is being a jerk themselves. But maybe <em>you</em> are the one being a jerk.</p><p></p><p>(Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.)</p><p></p><p>And again, it heavily depends on whether the behavior is an inborn trait. Ones ethnicity, sexuality, gender, raw intelligence, etc. is an inborn trait, and shouldn't be discriminated against. Being a bigot, however, is not inborn.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No. Because you're not making fun of people who aren't smart.</p><p></p><p>Also, you don't allow low stats? That's a shame. There's a player in one of the games I'm running with a 6 Wis warlock and he's an absolutely awesome character. Tons of fun to DM for.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, because you're not making fun of people who aren't smart.</p><p></p><p>Waaay back in the 80s, it was common for the kids at my school to call people stupid by saying their name and making an arm gesture that--although I didn't realize it at the time--mimicked the muscle contractures of a person with cerebral palsy. You know: arm held up with a loose wrist and the fingers curled under. According to <a href="https://cerebralpalsy.org.au/our-research/about-cerebral-palsy/what-is-cerebral-palsy/how-cerebral-palsy-affects-people/" target="_blank">this site</a>, about half of people with cerebral palsy have intellectual disabilities, although I'm sure the kids at my school assumed it was always the case, and they probably didn't even know what it actually was, just that "dumb people" held their arms like that.</p><p></p><p>So if you decided to play a low-Int character and used a gesture like that to indicate when you were speaking in character, I think just about everyone would say you were being offensive. It's unlikely you're <em>that</em> talented an actor to pull it off, and D&D isn't really built to stat out specific disabilities like CP.</p><p></p><p>In reality, though, I'd bet most people who are going to be playing a "stupid" character are actually doing lolrandom stuff like going out of their way to deliberately trigger traps or pour that full jug of water over the angry archmage the party was negotiating with because "that's what stupid people are like." And this is <em>also </em>offensive, and disruptive to boot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8466648, member: 6915329"] Once again, you are failing to misunderstand the basic premise of the original post. But to use your example: an actor can portray a character however they feel like it. However, the portrayal may be an offensive mockery. If you literally don't know if something is an offensive mockery, then try to find out. Are you deliberately trying to make fun of someone or a group of people by mocking how they act or how you think they act? Then you're quite probably being a jerk. This is particularly the case if you're mocking someone for an inborn trait (intelligence) rather than a choice they make (political party). (Also, you do realize that the Producers is a movie and the audience in it was [I]written [/I]to find it funny. From what I've read, the actual movie had mixed reviews upon release but gained popularity later on.) [I]Everyone [/I]has the right to say that to other people. People aren't required to [I]stop [/I]the behavior--but on the other hand, if someone is telling you they find your behavior offensive, then it might be a good idea to examine the behavior in question. Maybe that person who told you that is being a jerk themselves. But maybe [I]you[/I] are the one being a jerk. (Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.) And again, it heavily depends on whether the behavior is an inborn trait. Ones ethnicity, sexuality, gender, raw intelligence, etc. is an inborn trait, and shouldn't be discriminated against. Being a bigot, however, is not inborn. No. Because you're not making fun of people who aren't smart. Also, you don't allow low stats? That's a shame. There's a player in one of the games I'm running with a 6 Wis warlock and he's an absolutely awesome character. Tons of fun to DM for. No, because you're not making fun of people who aren't smart. Waaay back in the 80s, it was common for the kids at my school to call people stupid by saying their name and making an arm gesture that--although I didn't realize it at the time--mimicked the muscle contractures of a person with cerebral palsy. You know: arm held up with a loose wrist and the fingers curled under. According to [URL='https://cerebralpalsy.org.au/our-research/about-cerebral-palsy/what-is-cerebral-palsy/how-cerebral-palsy-affects-people/']this site[/URL], about half of people with cerebral palsy have intellectual disabilities, although I'm sure the kids at my school assumed it was always the case, and they probably didn't even know what it actually was, just that "dumb people" held their arms like that. So if you decided to play a low-Int character and used a gesture like that to indicate when you were speaking in character, I think just about everyone would say you were being offensive. It's unlikely you're [I]that[/I] talented an actor to pull it off, and D&D isn't really built to stat out specific disabilities like CP. In reality, though, I'd bet most people who are going to be playing a "stupid" character are actually doing lolrandom stuff like going out of their way to deliberately trigger traps or pour that full jug of water over the angry archmage the party was negotiating with because "that's what stupid people are like." And this is [I]also [/I]offensive, and disruptive to boot. [/QUOTE]
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