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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8467449" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I think ideas of &quot;what is intelligence&quot; is far too complex a topic to really get into in a forum like this.&nbsp; On the other hand I disagree with the assertion that intelligence is unassociated to biology, some people do have greater inherent reasoning abilities than others.&nbsp; That can of course be greatly influenced by environment and it's debatable whether anyone has ever come up with a good way to test or even describe intelligence.&nbsp; D&amp;D oversimplifies it like most things, but so have IQ tests.&nbsp; But there are many people, no matter how motivated, will never be physicists.&nbsp; Heck, I score high on IQ tests and I'd never be a good physicist because of an inherent weakness with math.I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone has inherent strengths and weaknesses.&nbsp; I'm better at understanding concepts, reading comprehension and analysis than most people.&nbsp; On the other hand I have weaknesses in the areas of hardcore math (although I've gotten much better at doing simple math in my head due to some tricks and playing D&amp;D).&nbsp; To say that somehow it's &quot;ableist&quot;*, discrimination against disabled people or that playing a weakness is automatically assuming that having less capability makes a person somehow diminished or lesser.&nbsp; Intelligence, high or low, does not make a person any more or less worthy than how tall they are.In other words, you can play stupid without being insulting.&nbsp; Being less intelligent doesn't make you any less worthy as an individual.&nbsp; Depicting someone with low intelligence is different from playing someone who is ignorant, or even stupid for that matter.&nbsp; IMHO IQ tests are always going to be inherently flawed but that doesn't mean that the concept of inherent intellectual capacity (that can be affected by other factors) is false.*Using the <a href="https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ableism" target="_blank">dictionary definition </a>of ableism here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8467449, member: 6801845"] I think ideas of "what is intelligence" is far too complex a topic to really get into in a forum like this. On the other hand I disagree with the assertion that intelligence is unassociated to biology, some people do have greater inherent reasoning abilities than others. That can of course be greatly influenced by environment and it's debatable whether anyone has ever come up with a good way to test or even describe intelligence. D&D oversimplifies it like most things, but so have IQ tests. But there are many people, no matter how motivated, will never be physicists. Heck, I score high on IQ tests and [I]I'd[/I] never be a good physicist because of an inherent weakness with math. I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone has inherent strengths and weaknesses. I'm better at understanding concepts, reading comprehension and analysis than most people. On the other hand I have weaknesses in the areas of hardcore math (although I've gotten much better at doing simple math in my head due to some tricks and playing D&D). To say that somehow it's "ableist"*, discrimination against disabled people or that playing a weakness is automatically assuming that having less capability makes a person somehow diminished or lesser. Intelligence, high or low, does not make a person any more or less worthy than how tall they are. In other words, you can play stupid without being insulting. Being less intelligent doesn't make you any less worthy as an individual. Depicting someone with low intelligence is different from playing someone who is ignorant, or even stupid for that matter. IMHO IQ tests are always going to be inherently flawed but that doesn't mean that the concept of inherent intellectual capacity (that can be affected by other factors) is false. *[I]Using the [/I][URL='https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ableism'][I]dictionary definition [/I][/URL][I]of ableism here.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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