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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8470171" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Let's start withAbleism: the tendency to regard people with a disability as incomplete, diminished, or damaged, and to measure the quality of life with a disability against a nondisabled standardI 100% agree that ableism or making fun of people with lower intelligence has no place in my games.&nbsp; I will also note that I don't think an 8 intelligence and/or wisdom models someone who is disabled.D&amp;D vastly oversimplifies everything, but I think the combination of intelligence and wisdom does a decent approximation.&nbsp; It's as good as strength and dexterity.&nbsp; In 5E proficiency and expertise can implement training and learning in a way that intelligence does not.&nbsp; The fact that most people have input into what their scores are either by placement or point buy can reflect the impact of environmental factors.I will never be a basketball player because of my size, nor will I ever win a strong man competition no matter how much I exercise because I'm just not big enough.&nbsp; Most people will never be Einstein and don't have the capability no matter how much they apply themselves.&nbsp; People make fun of or discriminate against people (mostly men) that are short all the time.&nbsp; A short person that's aggressive and successful?&nbsp; Napolean complex*.&nbsp; Short guy attracted to a taller woman?&nbsp; Forget about it, she's too good for you.&nbsp; So I understand not thinking of someone less smart than average as less.People have an inherent mental capacity.&nbsp; It's multifaceted, complex and messy.&nbsp; We don't have a good way of measuring it.&nbsp; Randy, my good friend growing up, was not very bright.&nbsp; He just wasn't.&nbsp; If I were going to represent him in D&amp;D terms he'd have an 8 for intelligence.&nbsp; It didn't make him any less of a friend or any less worthy.&nbsp; Acknowledging that I'm more intelligent than he is not ableism, it's just acknowledging that because he was taller he had a better shot at making the basketball team than I ever did.*Which is actually kind of funny/sad because Napolean was average height or a little taller than most for his time.&nbsp; The short thing was a caricature and an insult, a way to make fun of him in cartoons of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8470171, member: 6801845"] Let's start with [INDENT][B]Ableism[/B]: the tendency to regard people with a disability as incomplete, diminished, or damaged, and to measure the quality of life with a disability against a nondisabled standard[/INDENT] I 100% agree that ableism or making fun of people with lower intelligence has no place in my games. I will also note that I don't think an 8 intelligence and/or wisdom models someone who is disabled. D&D vastly oversimplifies everything, but I think the combination of intelligence and wisdom does a decent approximation. It's as good as strength and dexterity. In 5E proficiency and expertise can implement training and learning in a way that intelligence does not. The fact that most people have input into what their scores are either by placement or point buy can reflect the impact of environmental factors. I will never be a basketball player because of my size, nor will I ever win a strong man competition no matter how much I exercise because I'm just not big enough. Most people will never be Einstein and don't have the capability no matter how much they apply themselves. People make fun of or discriminate against people (mostly men) that are short [I]all the time[/I]. A short person that's aggressive and successful? Napolean complex*. Short guy attracted to a taller woman? Forget about it, she's too good for you. So I understand not thinking of someone less smart than average as [I]less[/I]. People have an inherent mental capacity. It's multifaceted, complex and messy. We don't have a good way of measuring it. Randy, my good friend growing up, was not very bright. He just wasn't. If I were going to represent him in D&D terms he'd have an 8 for intelligence. It didn't make him any less of a friend or any less worthy. Acknowledging that I'm more intelligent than he is not ableism, it's just acknowledging that because he was taller he had a better shot at making the basketball team than I ever did. *[I]Which is actually kind of funny/sad because Napolean was average height or a little taller than most for his time. The short thing was a caricature and an insult, a way to make fun of him in cartoons of the time.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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