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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9238704" data-attributes="member: 63508">I'm talking about your hypothetical. So both.D&D, PF, and most of the D&D clones and adjacents have their markets due to WOTC owning the D&D IP and pumping out ads, deals, and books in an attempt to make 100s of millions of it.VtM and the rest of WOD gets their books, video games, and content creation again because Paradox Interactive, a multimillion dollar video game company, pumps millions into creating a market for them to  make tens of millions off.People may hate the suits.People may not love the suits.I don't love them either.But the suits is what gets us the first party books, the third party books, the video games, the videos, the streams, the movies, etc.And without them the games we love would be smaller with smaller fanbase and with fewer content creators creating their own books or offshoot RPGs.And removal of them would force many of the creatives we love back into the dark creating only as side side gigs as the RPGs would not be profitable as a full time job, a kickstarter, or a who publishing company.</blockquote>