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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Art Waring" data-source="post: 9239211" data-attributes="member: 7037141">Well, we do live in a capitalist society, curious...I do understand your position, I just don't think it draws much water.MCDM just made i think 4 million? Did they rely on wotc or dnd at all for their kickstarter?Shadowdark & Mothership made over a million this last year. This website has its own thread about million dollar kickstarters, many of them are games that have no connection to wotc or dnd.Youtubers can advertise for a game and make it successful without the help of wotc or dnd. There is an entire OSR scene that does well and they don't even advertise the same ways that big corps do.</blockquote>