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<blockquote data-quote="mamba" data-source="post: 9241182" data-attributes="member: 7034611"><p>that they were making tweaks based on 3pp feedback has nothing to do with the leak and started before there even was the Gizmodo article.</p><p></p><p>They then started having a public poll that was supposed to run into February for input gathering. A preferred way by companies of stringing people along, hoping the issue goes away before they actually have to do anything.</p><p></p><p>Seeing that the crisis was only increasing and drawing ever wider circles, they eventually pulled the rope, left the OGL alone and released the SRD under CC, both to appease the crowd and to bring the 3pps back on board, which had lost all trust in the OGL by then. That was an emergency decision, pretty sure that was not being discussed internally for two weeks.</p><p></p><p>Any way you slice it, WotC tried to break existing, binding contracts and to replace them with draconian versions that would have put pretty much any 3pp using them out of business. What would have survived is the small stuff that sells a few hundred copies on DMsGuild, which ironically does not even need the OGL.</p><p></p><p>Paizo, Kobold, Frog God, MCDM and the likes all would be dead. Kickstarters would no longer exist, or only for projects that try to raise 10-20k</p><p></p><p></p><p>no, not sure what that has to do with anything, the DMsG does not use the OGL, and is by and large not what 3pps use either</p><p></p><p></p><p>they are the previous landlord… and they did more than ask. Would you say it is also ok for your landlord to send over a biker gang to talk some sense into you?</p><p></p><p>You have been downplaying and misrepresenting this from day one, not sure why, or why you still brought it up now</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don’t, I take it as them having failed at their attempt due to unexpected levels of public resistance. They should not have tried in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p>they were not asking, and they were way out of line.</p><p></p><p>As Monte Cook said back then “Say person A pointed a gun at person B and pulled the trigger, but the gun jammed. Person A then gave a half-hearted apology.</p><p></p><p>Should person B accept the apology? Should they trust person A ever again?</p><p></p><p>What if person A starts visibly trying to clear the jam but assures person B that it's all fine?</p><p></p><p>Asking for a friend.”</p><p></p><p>That is the equivalent of what WotC did, not ‘renegotiate terms in good faith’, like you pretend</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mamba, post: 9241182, member: 7034611"] that they were making tweaks based on 3pp feedback has nothing to do with the leak and started before there even was the Gizmodo article. They then started having a public poll that was supposed to run into February for input gathering. A preferred way by companies of stringing people along, hoping the issue goes away before they actually have to do anything. Seeing that the crisis was only increasing and drawing ever wider circles, they eventually pulled the rope, left the OGL alone and released the SRD under CC, both to appease the crowd and to bring the 3pps back on board, which had lost all trust in the OGL by then. That was an emergency decision, pretty sure that was not being discussed internally for two weeks. Any way you slice it, WotC tried to break existing, binding contracts and to replace them with draconian versions that would have put pretty much any 3pp using them out of business. What would have survived is the small stuff that sells a few hundred copies on DMsGuild, which ironically does not even need the OGL. Paizo, Kobold, Frog God, MCDM and the likes all would be dead. Kickstarters would no longer exist, or only for projects that try to raise 10-20k no, not sure what that has to do with anything, the DMsG does not use the OGL, and is by and large not what 3pps use either they are the previous landlord… and they did more than ask. Would you say it is also ok for your landlord to send over a biker gang to talk some sense into you? You have been downplaying and misrepresenting this from day one, not sure why, or why you still brought it up now I don’t, I take it as them having failed at their attempt due to unexpected levels of public resistance. They should not have tried in the first place. they were not asking, and they were way out of line. As Monte Cook said back then “Say person A pointed a gun at person B and pulled the trigger, but the gun jammed. Person A then gave a half-hearted apology. Should person B accept the apology? Should they trust person A ever again? What if person A starts visibly trying to clear the jam but assures person B that it's all fine? Asking for a friend.” That is the equivalent of what WotC did, not ‘renegotiate terms in good faith’, like you pretend [/QUOTE]
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