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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ulorian - Agent of Chaos" data-source="post: 9243235" data-attributes="member: 16668">Bad people? There is no need to inject hyperbole into this discussion. I'm saying that you take on the responsibility of employing others, you take on the responsibility of getting in front of problems that affect your business. It's just the ethical thing to do. If there is a rent increase on the property you run your business on... do you immediately pass that rent increase on to your employees by dropping their salaries? I hope not! Ideally, you take responsibility and see if there is another aspect of your business you can adjust so that your employees don't take the impact. You might take action against those who initiated the rent increase if there is something nefarious behind it, absolutely, but that's something completely different.Not what I said. I said on the off chance that happens, be nimble. When a problem comes up, be on top of it. You're responsible for the livelihoods of others.Wow. I'm sure you're a better person than this comment makes you appear. I'm going to chalk this up to an emotional attachment to this argument.No, you don't. Well, you might see it, but it isn't actually there.No, I did not imply that. Nor did I say that directly.Well, yes, objectively, anyone would. Really.Of course they saw it as unfair! They purchased a product, and because they weren't paying attention, the OGL was released. The OGL was actually good for the hobby, and good for their business; it was extremely short-sighted of them to rail against it. That doesn't change the fact that the OGL could be perceived to someone who hasn't done their homework that, as an owner of a property, they have given away the farm. 'I paid a lot of money for this, but other people can use it for free??!!??'There you go.Okay. You are circling back to my central point. You have entered the world of business. You will encounter other businesses that will make decisions that may be ethically suspect. Or they are not objectively suspect, but you perceive those decisions as such because they negatively impact your business and you get very upset. Humans are very egocentric that way.If you are a good and ethical person, and you are running a business, you will deal with these situations and protect your people.What you also might and should do is to take action to prevent this sort of behaviour in the future. What you should absolutely not do though, is move in that direction without understanding what actually happened. With all due respect, that's the mistake I think you are making. You look at your side, and how you feel it hurt you, and think about the pain it caused you, and let that colour your view of what has actually happened. Look at the bigger picture. The motivations of both sides. If you don't do that, you don't have an accurate understanding of what drove the situation you are examining. Which means that the solution you are pushing for is just going to result in more problems for others down the road.WotC acted in a way that made sense to those who made that (misguided IMO) decision. The way they went about it was pretty terrible to boot (for the reasons that you mentioned). These are things that misguided people do. Or maybe they are ethically corrupt. Whatever the reason, it doesn't matter. If you have started a business, you have to be prepared to deal with these situations.I think you're making the same error in reading my argument that [USER=6875986]@The Scythian[/USER] is. I'm not saying 'don't complain' or 'don't take action to change an unjust situation'. I'm saying do that, but: a) fully understand the situation first and b) whether what's happened is right or wrong,  whether a) fixes it or not, take care of the people you are responsible for.</blockquote>

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