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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 9559130" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>Are you actually saying you think I copypasted only <em>parts </em>of the pages to make the 5.24 book look bad?</p><p></p><p>Well, you can look the 5.24 gargoyle up on the monster-related threads here--seriously, the next page is gelatinous cube; in LU, it's genies--and you can look up the LU gargoyles <a href="https://a5e.tools/monsters?combine=gargoyle" target="_blank">here</a>, on their website.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now this is just <em>really </em>sad. You're so desperate to poo-poo anyone who tries to say "Hey, I don't need the 5.24 books because I can get what I want elsewhere, and I think those books did it better" that you're <em>desperately </em>grasping at any straw you can to find fault. </p><p></p><p>Besides, while "too much information" can detract from usability, that happens when you mix fluff with crunch (like in the AD&D years, when you really had to go over the text with a fine-toothed comb to ensure you didn't miss anything), <em>not </em>when you provide completely optional tables off to the side. </p><p></p><p>Maybe I should have compared two monsters with spellcasting abilities. The LU monsters have enough info for the spells that you don't have to look them up in the book--or hover over a link--to find out what it does.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I could find the LU statblock easily. You're just not used to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You personally? Maybe not a lot. </p><p></p><p>A GM who has memorized the statblocks, or who doesn't care about the actual stats and just runs what feels right? Maybe not a lot.</p><p></p><p>A relatively new GM, or a GM who has to run a random encounter on the fly and needs info <em>now</em>, or who wants some inspiration to spice up a planned encounter, or has never used gargoyles before? Probably quite a lot.</p><p></p><p>Question: the 5.24 gargoyle contains tables for "gargoyle sculptures" (their appearance, just like in LU) and "gargoyle camouflage" (which LU doesn't have). Is that also too much information? Or is that level of information OK because it's 5.24?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have no idea what this has to do with anything. The vast, <em>vast </em>majority of gamers aren't influencers.</p><p></p><p>But if we're going for digital vs. physical, I have the LU Monstrous Menagerie as a physical book. However, my vision has degraded enough in my old age that I prefer digital versions because I can enlarge the text. </p><p></p><p>Which is another reason I'm choosing to not buy 5.24. They're not likely to produce large-print physical books anytime soon, and I don't want to <em>rent </em>the books via DDB. I want to <em>own </em>them as pdfs.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, that's your unfamiliarity. Maybe the LU book could be a bit more colorful or have thicker dividing lines, but that has <em>nothing </em>to do with the quality of the material presented. A monster book could be absolutely beautiful and a masterpiece of graphic design and still be filled with unplayable garbage. Or it could be the simplest plain text with grayscale art, or even no art, and still be filled with innovating, evocative, <em>useful </em>monsters.</p><p></p><p>And again, this is why what you're saying is so sad. SlyFlourish said they found the LU book to be more useful, and for some reason, the idea that they prefer something other than 5.24 is bothering you to so much that you're nitpicking the <em>text's headers </em>in order to say LU is inferior. </p><p></p><p>Why, why, <em>why </em>is it so important to you that people buy 5.24?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 9559130, member: 6915329"] Are you actually saying you think I copypasted only [I]parts [/I]of the pages to make the 5.24 book look bad? Well, you can look the 5.24 gargoyle up on the monster-related threads here--seriously, the next page is gelatinous cube; in LU, it's genies--and you can look up the LU gargoyles [URL='https://a5e.tools/monsters?combine=gargoyle']here[/URL], on their website. Now this is just [I]really [/I]sad. You're so desperate to poo-poo anyone who tries to say "Hey, I don't need the 5.24 books because I can get what I want elsewhere, and I think those books did it better" that you're [I]desperately [/I]grasping at any straw you can to find fault. Besides, while "too much information" can detract from usability, that happens when you mix fluff with crunch (like in the AD&D years, when you really had to go over the text with a fine-toothed comb to ensure you didn't miss anything), [I]not [/I]when you provide completely optional tables off to the side. Maybe I should have compared two monsters with spellcasting abilities. The LU monsters have enough info for the spells that you don't have to look them up in the book--or hover over a link--to find out what it does. Again, I could find the LU statblock easily. You're just not used to it. You personally? Maybe not a lot. A GM who has memorized the statblocks, or who doesn't care about the actual stats and just runs what feels right? Maybe not a lot. A relatively new GM, or a GM who has to run a random encounter on the fly and needs info [I]now[/I], or who wants some inspiration to spice up a planned encounter, or has never used gargoyles before? Probably quite a lot. Question: the 5.24 gargoyle contains tables for "gargoyle sculptures" (their appearance, just like in LU) and "gargoyle camouflage" (which LU doesn't have). Is that also too much information? Or is that level of information OK because it's 5.24? I have no idea what this has to do with anything. The vast, [I]vast [/I]majority of gamers aren't influencers. But if we're going for digital vs. physical, I have the LU Monstrous Menagerie as a physical book. However, my vision has degraded enough in my old age that I prefer digital versions because I can enlarge the text. Which is another reason I'm choosing to not buy 5.24. They're not likely to produce large-print physical books anytime soon, and I don't want to [I]rent [/I]the books via DDB. I want to [I]own [/I]them as pdfs. No, that's your unfamiliarity. Maybe the LU book could be a bit more colorful or have thicker dividing lines, but that has [I]nothing [/I]to do with the quality of the material presented. A monster book could be absolutely beautiful and a masterpiece of graphic design and still be filled with unplayable garbage. Or it could be the simplest plain text with grayscale art, or even no art, and still be filled with innovating, evocative, [I]useful [/I]monsters. And again, this is why what you're saying is so sad. SlyFlourish said they found the LU book to be more useful, and for some reason, the idea that they prefer something other than 5.24 is bothering you to so much that you're nitpicking the [I]text's headers [/I]in order to say LU is inferior. Why, why, [I]why [/I]is it so important to you that people buy 5.24? [/QUOTE]
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