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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 9560896" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>SlyFlourish, in post <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/dont-throw-5e-away-because-of-hasbro.702010/post-9558070" target="_blank">#927</a>:</p><p></p><p>You, in post <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/dont-throw-5e-away-because-of-hasbro.702010/page-94#post-9558078" target="_blank">#933</a>:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">(emphasis mine)</span></p><p></p><p>Here are you literally saying that he was disparaging the 5.24 MM because he thought the LU's Menagerie looked to be more useful.</p><p></p><p>Did you forget? Were you trying to say he was disparaging D&D because he also wrote for TotV or likes LU?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I guess not, because I didn't remember that you were accusing him of badmouthing D&D to line his own pockets. I thought you were arguing simply because you only believe in judging completed work. My bad.</p><p></p><p>You know, in #925:</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">(emphasis mine)</span></p><p></p><p>Which is a weird thing to say about someone whom you acknowledge not only has written for 5e but started this entire thread telling people to <em>not </em>stop buying from Hasbro.</p><p></p><p>Also, it's a really weird<em> thing to say anyway</em>, because people buy plenty of games for myriad reasons. Meaning that other than financial reasons, there's nothing stopping someone from buying D&D <em>and </em>Tales of the Valiant <em>and </em>Level Up <em>and </em>any number of other D&D-alikes or non-D&D-alikes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Part. I'm going through my games from Itch bundles and a not-terrible layout and design is definitely something I use to decide if I'm going to keep the pdf for later reading. (Note to indie game writers: using handwriting or blackletter fonts for the <em>body </em>of the text is a bad idea, as is using a light-colored font on a light-colored background.)</p><p></p><p>But unless the final product is literally unreadable, layout--by which you were using to mean things like... section breaks?--is less important than content. And quite frankly, something can be beautifully presented but still be a hot mess of a game.</p><p></p><p>(Which reminds me; I should get back to reading Invisible Sun.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>I didn't buy it for the preface or list of conditions in the back of the book. I bought it for the statblocks, which are objectively deeper than the similar statblocks in 5.14 (most monsters have bonus actions and/or reactions, giving them more to do on their turn). The fact that some of the lore is pretty cool is a bonus feature, but I didn't buy it specifically for the lore.</p><p></p><p>Tell me, what else are <em>you </em>buying the MM for? Any reason other than completing your core set of three books? Coz if you bought it so you can use the monsters in your game, you bought it for the statblocks.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For DMs running out of the book or who dislike pausing the game to look up info, having lists of signs, lore, names, complete info on spells, etc., are all very useful things to have. And I'd wager there are probably more DMs who run out of the books than there are DMs who carefully prepare everything ahead of time.</p><p></p><p>Heck, I tend to overprepare ahead of time <em>and </em>rely on my own lore, and those things are still useful as inspiration.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Saying that drawing conclusions based on available data, especially when using that opinion to form a personal opinion, is just "reading tea leaves" is insulting. (Which you did in posts #1047 and #1061, in case you forgot again.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Since I spelled out those reasons before, you can't just say "reasons" like I pulled the claim out of nowhere.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 9560896, member: 6915329"] SlyFlourish, in post [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/dont-throw-5e-away-because-of-hasbro.702010/post-9558070']#927[/URL]: You, in post [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/dont-throw-5e-away-because-of-hasbro.702010/page-94#post-9558078']#933[/URL]: [SIZE=3](emphasis mine)[/SIZE] Here are you literally saying that he was disparaging the 5.24 MM because he thought the LU's Menagerie looked to be more useful. Did you forget? Were you trying to say he was disparaging D&D because he also wrote for TotV or likes LU? I guess not, because I didn't remember that you were accusing him of badmouthing D&D to line his own pockets. I thought you were arguing simply because you only believe in judging completed work. My bad. You know, in #925: [SIZE=3](emphasis mine)[/SIZE] Which is a weird thing to say about someone whom you acknowledge not only has written for 5e but started this entire thread telling people to [I]not [/I]stop buying from Hasbro. Also, it's a really weird[I] thing to say anyway[/I], because people buy plenty of games for myriad reasons. Meaning that other than financial reasons, there's nothing stopping someone from buying D&D [I]and [/I]Tales of the Valiant [I]and [/I]Level Up [I]and [/I]any number of other D&D-alikes or non-D&D-alikes. Part. I'm going through my games from Itch bundles and a not-terrible layout and design is definitely something I use to decide if I'm going to keep the pdf for later reading. (Note to indie game writers: using handwriting or blackletter fonts for the [I]body [/I]of the text is a bad idea, as is using a light-colored font on a light-colored background.) But unless the final product is literally unreadable, layout--by which you were using to mean things like... section breaks?--is less important than content. And quite frankly, something can be beautifully presented but still be a hot mess of a game. (Which reminds me; I should get back to reading Invisible Sun.) I didn't buy it for the preface or list of conditions in the back of the book. I bought it for the statblocks, which are objectively deeper than the similar statblocks in 5.14 (most monsters have bonus actions and/or reactions, giving them more to do on their turn). The fact that some of the lore is pretty cool is a bonus feature, but I didn't buy it specifically for the lore. Tell me, what else are [I]you [/I]buying the MM for? Any reason other than completing your core set of three books? Coz if you bought it so you can use the monsters in your game, you bought it for the statblocks. For DMs running out of the book or who dislike pausing the game to look up info, having lists of signs, lore, names, complete info on spells, etc., are all very useful things to have. And I'd wager there are probably more DMs who run out of the books than there are DMs who carefully prepare everything ahead of time. Heck, I tend to overprepare ahead of time [I]and [/I]rely on my own lore, and those things are still useful as inspiration. Saying that drawing conclusions based on available data, especially when using that opinion to form a personal opinion, is just "reading tea leaves" is insulting. (Which you did in posts #1047 and #1061, in case you forgot again.) Since I spelled out those reasons before, you can't just say "reasons" like I pulled the claim out of nowhere. [/QUOTE]
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