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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6270984" data-attributes="member: 95493"><p>Oh really? Only became and issue after the last chance for feedback? The final playtest packet was dated Sept 20th 2013, the last opportunity for feedback via survey would have been after that some time. I don't have an exact date, so I'm going to use the 20th of September for my purposes.</p><p></p><p>The earliest thread on this temporary sub-forum is dated June 2012 (Started by Empath Negative, Friday, 1st June, 2012 03:26 PM) Which is over a full year earlier. I'm sure I could dig up more examples, but I don't see that I have to. The point I'm making is that DOAM has been an issue since WAY before the final survey. It even existed before 5e was even hinted at people talked how they disliked it - though in different terms and talking about different mechanics/abilities.</p><p></p><p>So, I suppose that if the surveys lacked a solid question and answer for people to give feedback on DOAM then it must have been a purposeful miss on their part, since this issue has been around a while. So, all we can gather is that if there is no question there can be no answers given and if no perspective given then there can be no problem according to the survey readers. That is my problem with both the polls on their site and the survey they gave.</p><p></p><p>Heck, I'm still waiting for them to go back and look at HP, something I noted on every survey since the first one, after every packet. This issue stems from that, all the big ones do in one way or another IMHO. They haven't and probably won't, looked at HP in a satisfying enough way. It leads to sloppy design and unsatisfying answers like this one - messing around in the grey area leading to angering results. At best they might include alternate versions of HP somewhere as a module, but it'll probably be badly tested and worse in implementation (always seems to shake out that way). *Shrugs* But whatcha you gunna do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6270984, member: 95493"] Oh really? Only became and issue after the last chance for feedback? The final playtest packet was dated Sept 20th 2013, the last opportunity for feedback via survey would have been after that some time. I don't have an exact date, so I'm going to use the 20th of September for my purposes. The earliest thread on this temporary sub-forum is dated June 2012 (Started by Empath Negative, Friday, 1st June, 2012 03:26 PM) Which is over a full year earlier. I'm sure I could dig up more examples, but I don't see that I have to. The point I'm making is that DOAM has been an issue since WAY before the final survey. It even existed before 5e was even hinted at people talked how they disliked it - though in different terms and talking about different mechanics/abilities. So, I suppose that if the surveys lacked a solid question and answer for people to give feedback on DOAM then it must have been a purposeful miss on their part, since this issue has been around a while. So, all we can gather is that if there is no question there can be no answers given and if no perspective given then there can be no problem according to the survey readers. That is my problem with both the polls on their site and the survey they gave. Heck, I'm still waiting for them to go back and look at HP, something I noted on every survey since the first one, after every packet. This issue stems from that, all the big ones do in one way or another IMHO. They haven't and probably won't, looked at HP in a satisfying enough way. It leads to sloppy design and unsatisfying answers like this one - messing around in the grey area leading to angering results. At best they might include alternate versions of HP somewhere as a module, but it'll probably be badly tested and worse in implementation (always seems to shake out that way). *Shrugs* But whatcha you gunna do. [/QUOTE]
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