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Message: <blockquote data-quote="arwink" data-source="post: 98584" data-attributes="member: 2292">I've not played one as a PC, but I've just started using them as NPC's IMC and they don't seem to be overly powerful.  They definately don't cut it as a front-line fighter, and only barely lets them fill the role of a monk.Frex - Taking the armor advantages away from the monk abilities tends to make a huge difference on a 1 to 1 comparison between the sacred fist and the PC monk he's designed to go up against, especially given the fact that the sacred fists then limited to light armour.  A character with a dex bonus and masterwork chain shirt doesn't quite cut it against a monk with a potion of cats grace and wisdom <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  Most of the other abilities rely on the sacred fist being up close and personal, so the lack of decent armour really does hurt.Combat casting is kinda nasty - especially if you cast any of the cause wound spells and use a punch attack to deliver them.  Altough the pussiant fist ability isn't that important as an NPC, I don't see it as being all that imbalanced in the long run.  Even working to get the class asap, I can't figure any way of getting '+3' fists before roughly character level eleven (ftr4, clr1, sacred 6).  Probably a little soon for some campaigns, but it evens out in the end.  Most would probably not take the class until much later, getting this ability around 12-14th level, which is more or less right.  All in all, I think it looks less balanced than it is.  I mostly added it in because it fit a concept I'd already developed - time saving mostly.  If I was a player, I doubt I'd really prefer the sacred fist over a straigh cleric, fighter cleric or monk.</blockquote>

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