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<blockquote data-quote="Thundershield" data-source="post: 4578771" data-attributes="member: 55219"><p>Indeed, as cjais points out, there's some speculation here.</p><p> </p><p>As double weapons all have the defensive property, and this property requires you to wield two weapons, wielding a double weapon must obviously be considered "wielding two weapons" or them having the defensive property would be pointless.</p><p> </p><p>Also, the Tempest Technique feature states that you get a +1 bonus to attacks with weapons with the off-hand property (as opposed to weapons simply held in your off-hand) and since the double sword has this property, regardless of what end you're using, it must apply to both ends, just like dual-wielding katars or short swords would give you the attack and damage bonus on both hands.</p><p> </p><p>While it is true that the description of double weapons states that one end is to be considered the "off-hand" end, it only states this in reference to powers that require you to make an off-hand attack, not in reference to feats or class features.</p><p> </p><p>In other words, going by the book a double sword would give you all the benefits of the Tempest Technique class feature. Not sure this is balanced or not, however.</p><p> </p><p>EDIT: I suppose the balancing factor is that your double weapon will only have an enhancement bonus and nothing else on one end. If you wield 2 katars, for instance, each can have its own special ability.</p><p> </p><p>EDIT 2: While I hear that a popular solution (the one shown here by FrozenChrono) is to treat one end as being the Heavy Blade and the other end as being the Light Blade/Defensive/Off-Hand, that raises more puzzling issues. First off it makes the Tempest want to attack with the off-hand end rather than the main hand end when making a single attack (or opportunity attack), but it also raises questions about whether a double sword can be used for Rogue powers if one end is solely a Heavy Blade.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thundershield, post: 4578771, member: 55219"] Indeed, as cjais points out, there's some speculation here. As double weapons all have the defensive property, and this property requires you to wield two weapons, wielding a double weapon must obviously be considered "wielding two weapons" or them having the defensive property would be pointless. Also, the Tempest Technique feature states that you get a +1 bonus to attacks with weapons with the off-hand property (as opposed to weapons simply held in your off-hand) and since the double sword has this property, regardless of what end you're using, it must apply to both ends, just like dual-wielding katars or short swords would give you the attack and damage bonus on both hands. While it is true that the description of double weapons states that one end is to be considered the "off-hand" end, it only states this in reference to powers that require you to make an off-hand attack, not in reference to feats or class features. In other words, going by the book a double sword would give you all the benefits of the Tempest Technique class feature. Not sure this is balanced or not, however. EDIT: I suppose the balancing factor is that your double weapon will only have an enhancement bonus and nothing else on one end. If you wield 2 katars, for instance, each can have its own special ability. EDIT 2: While I hear that a popular solution (the one shown here by FrozenChrono) is to treat one end as being the Heavy Blade and the other end as being the Light Blade/Defensive/Off-Hand, that raises more puzzling issues. First off it makes the Tempest want to attack with the off-hand end rather than the main hand end when making a single attack (or opportunity attack), but it also raises questions about whether a double sword can be used for Rogue powers if one end is solely a Heavy Blade. [/QUOTE]
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