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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6660540" data-attributes="member: 2011">Interestingly enough, spells like Fog Cloud create both advantage and disadvantage and it automatically cancels out everything.For example, the targeted foe in the Fog Cloud cannot see the attacker (heavy obscurement, i.e. blinded condition), so attacks on him get advantage. The attacker cannot see the targeted foe (heavy obscurement, also blinded condition), so his attacks get disadvantage.This makes the use of this and other similar spells limited at best since attacks into a Fog Cloud are always (per RAW shy of other conditions) at normal to hit. In my game, I houseruled it to all attacks into, within, through, or out of a Fog Cloud result in disadvantage (the latter two cases already handled correctly by RAW). The disadvantage of not seeing your foe trumps his inability to see your attack coming, at least at my table. However, this begs the question of firing an arrow at a blinded foe on the other side of the Fog Cloud. Is it disadvantage due to the house rule, or is it normal to hit since the foe is blinded from another source? Hasn't happened yet at my table, so I haven't had to adjudicate it. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />But it just seems to be counterintuitive that firing an arrow into heavy obscurement means that you get a normal chance to hit. Granted, a different DM might rule that you have to pick the proper square in order to even have a chance, but that brings up different problems for melee.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 6660540, member: 2011"] Interestingly enough, spells like Fog Cloud create both advantage and disadvantage and it automatically cancels out everything. For example, the targeted foe in the Fog Cloud cannot see the attacker (heavy obscurement, i.e. blinded condition), so attacks on him get advantage. The attacker cannot see the targeted foe (heavy obscurement, also blinded condition), so his attacks get disadvantage. This makes the use of this and other similar spells limited at best since attacks into a Fog Cloud are always (per RAW shy of other conditions) at normal to hit. In my game, I houseruled it to all attacks into, within, through, or out of a Fog Cloud result in disadvantage (the latter two cases already handled correctly by RAW). The disadvantage of not seeing your foe trumps his inability to see your attack coming, at least at my table. However, this begs the question of firing an arrow at a blinded foe on the other side of the Fog Cloud. Is it disadvantage due to the house rule, or is it normal to hit since the foe is blinded from another source? Hasn't happened yet at my table, so I haven't had to adjudicate it. :lol: But it just seems to be counterintuitive that firing an arrow into heavy obscurement means that you get a normal chance to hit. Granted, a different DM might rule that you have to pick the proper square in order to even have a chance, but that brings up different problems for melee. [/QUOTE]

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