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<blockquote data-quote="gizmo33" data-source="post: 3740918" data-attributes="member: 30001"><p>Me too. It's pretty clearly intended to be an introduction to ADnD but seems to borrow alot from the spirit of ODnD. </p><p></p><p>It doesn't use the ADnD rules (that are in my copy of the 1E PHB anyway). It's possible either they decided to simplify the rules (which I don't see some of the differences as being simplifications), or maybe the ADnD rules weren't available to Holmes in their final form. The mention of a "witch" as an ADnD class to me is a strong hint that Holmes didn't know the ADnD game. Perhaps at the time ADnD wasn't written/finalized.</p><p></p><p>One odd thing - a 4th level magic-user in the sample dungeon is called a "thaumaturgist". But in both ADnD and ODnD, a 4th level magic-user is a "theurgist". The level titles for wizard otherwise conform to ODnD rather than ADnD. However, the ones for cleric matches ADnD in it's use of "priest" rather than "village priest" for third level. And the use of the phrase "fighting man" rather than "fighter" is classic ODnD terminology.</p><p></p><p>My theory - Holmes played ODnD, looked over Gygax's shoulder for 5 minutes at the ADnD rules, and wrote the Holmes basic set.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gizmo33, post: 3740918, member: 30001"] Me too. It's pretty clearly intended to be an introduction to ADnD but seems to borrow alot from the spirit of ODnD. It doesn't use the ADnD rules (that are in my copy of the 1E PHB anyway). It's possible either they decided to simplify the rules (which I don't see some of the differences as being simplifications), or maybe the ADnD rules weren't available to Holmes in their final form. The mention of a "witch" as an ADnD class to me is a strong hint that Holmes didn't know the ADnD game. Perhaps at the time ADnD wasn't written/finalized. One odd thing - a 4th level magic-user in the sample dungeon is called a "thaumaturgist". But in both ADnD and ODnD, a 4th level magic-user is a "theurgist". The level titles for wizard otherwise conform to ODnD rather than ADnD. However, the ones for cleric matches ADnD in it's use of "priest" rather than "village priest" for third level. And the use of the phrase "fighting man" rather than "fighter" is classic ODnD terminology. My theory - Holmes played ODnD, looked over Gygax's shoulder for 5 minutes at the ADnD rules, and wrote the Holmes basic set. [/QUOTE]
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