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<blockquote data-quote="Ambrus" data-source="post: 4976718" data-attributes="member: 17691">[sblock=OOC]I have trouble imagining that two flapping creatures locked together in a grapple could successfully stay airborne for long. The dynamics of flight are tricky enough without being shackled to another flyer, beating wings against each other while working at cross-purposes. Besides, according to the PRD &quot;Grappled creatures cannot move&quot; and &quot;In addition, grappled creatures can take no action that requires two hands to perform.&quot; If they can't freely use two hands in a grapple, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they can't also use both wings to fly.At the very least I'd say that it's worse than a collision because it's a persistent hindrance, likely requiring a successful&nbsp; Fly check from each grappler per round of grappling for the pair to stay airborne.For that reason I'd be content to assume both creatures have fallen to the ground.[/sblock]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ambrus, post: 4976718, member: 17691"] [sblock=OOC][color=gray]I have trouble imagining that two flapping creatures locked together in a grapple could successfully stay airborne for long. The dynamics of flight are tricky enough without being shackled to another flyer, beating wings against each other while working at cross-purposes. Besides, according to the PRD [I]"Grappled creatures cannot move"[/I] and [I]"In addition, grappled creatures can take no action that requires two hands to perform."[/I] If they can't freely use two hands in a grapple, I don't think it's a stretch to say that they can't also use both wings to fly. At the very least I'd say that it's worse than a collision because it's a persistent hindrance, likely requiring a successful Fly check from each grappler per round of grappling for the pair to stay airborne. For that reason I'd be content to assume both creatures have fallen to the ground.[/color][/sblock] [/QUOTE]

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